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I know that we have a lot of knowledgeable people here and this isn't a very common topic.

I keep hearing that the PLC was very tolerant (about religions). My guess that this is mostly about Catholics versus Protestants. But what about Orthodox? I'm especially interested in their political power. Were there ever Orthodox Polish Kings or Lithuanian Grand Dukes? Or famous Orthodox nobles or noble families with influence, especially in the Sejm?

It would be even more interesting if these things happened before major Russian influence, as Orthodox Russia probably preferred Orthodox representatives.

Thank you for all the answers/pointers ;)
 

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It has been years since I have learned history in a systematic way, but I will try to answer your question. At the beginning of 16th century Poland/Lithuania (since 1569 PLC) were some of the most tolerant countries in Europe, allowing for both Protestant universities (Akademia in Raków) and for printing and distribution of protestant books and scriptures. Initially PLC was also tolerant to Orthodox, who made up majority of PLC aristocracy. As the original Polish ruling family (Piasts) died out in the first half of 16th century (which triggered the inheritance of Mazovia by the Crown of Poland; though some of Piasts' distant relatives still lived in Silesia) the only group in PLC that was allowed to claim a title of duke/price (kniaz) were the descendants of Mendog and Rurik. The first group was Lithuanian dukes of Lithuanian origin, majority of whom was probably catholic, the latter group (much more numerous) were Lithuanian dukes of Ruthenian origin who orthodox. Thus the majority of large land owners were initially orthodox. After the death of the last Jagiellonian king religious tolerance in the kingdom was confirmed by Warsaw Confederation (probably the peak of tolerance in Poland). Then things started going south. Once Zygmunt III of the Swedish Vasa dynasty (who was educated by Jesuits) was elected to the throne of PLC, he started to introduce laws that 'promoted' catholicism (i.e. persecuted everybody else). In example, you could hold government offices in Poland only if you were catholic. As aristocracy wanted political power, this over time triggered a massive conversion process and resulted in a situation where in Ruthenian lands of PLC the landowners converted to catholicism, while all their subjects remained orthodox. You can easily imagine what were the social consequences of such alienation. By 1655 only one member of senate remained orthodox (senator Kisiel). Religious intolerance to orthodox was particularly moronic as catholics and orthodox both made up around 40% of the total population. The rise of catholic hardliners was one of the reasons of people's rebellion in the Ukraine that triggered the downfall of PLC. Basically tolerance in Poland/Lithuania ended before tolerance even started in the western Europe.
 
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Sigismund III did not "introduce" any laws since he had no power to do so. In order to become law a bill had to be accepted by the Sejm, Senate and finally the king. And he was not a religious fanatic, like he is presented in the current popular history. Sigismund current reputation comes from popular books written by Pawel Jasienica in 1950-60s. However Jasienica fabricated lots of stuff. I mean really lots, he himself compared his works to novels. In real life Sigismund even allowed Protestant services to be held in his own royal palace. That's a long shot from a religious zealot like he's usually portrayed, right?

The Orthodoxes were treated the same like adherents of other Christian denomination, mainly literally all offices were open to them with the sole exception of the office of king himself. The Orthodox power in PLC waned because the Orthodox aristocracy gradually converted to Catholicism and got polonised. They did it by their own accord without the inference of the central government. In fact the central government was perhaps the last to recognize the polonisation and catholicisation of the eastern magnates. For decades documents sent to eastern Voidvodships were translated in the Royal Chancery into Ruthenian and then sent to the East, where it was translated back into Polish for the local magnates to understand them.

There was also the Union of Brzesc in 1596, in which most of Orthodox bishops severed their ties with Moscow and entered union with Rome. This event, portrayed in Russian historiography as a Catholic expansionism, was in fact done on the initiative of the Orthodox nobility and bishops who were fed up with Moscow's influence and her treatment of the Orthodox as a political tool. Only one bishopric (Mstislav) refused the union and was let alone, nothing happened to both her bishops and bishopric's estates.
 
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Sigismund III did not "introduce" any laws since he had no power to do so. In order to become law a bill had to be accepted by the Sejm, Senate and finally the king. And he was not a religious fanatic, like he is presented in the current popular history. Sigismund current reputation comes from popular books written by Pawel Jasienica in 1950-60s. However Jasienica fabricated lots of stuff. I mean really lots, he himself compared his works to novels. In real life Sigismund even allowed Protestant services to be held in his own royal palace. That's a long shot from a religious zealot like he's usually portrayed, right?

I'll just have one point here, the case of putting Władysław IV on the muscovite throne, and the refusel of his converting to Orthodox... Fabricated as well?
 
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I'll just have one point here, the case of putting Władysław IV on the muscovite throne, and the refusel of his converting to Orthodox... Fabricated as well?

That's not fabricated, but not allowing his firstborn son to be converted hardly counts as religious fanaticism for the period in question, right?

Also considering how previous tsars ended up, I believe that refusing the proposal was the most reasonable thing a sane father could do. Wladyslaw wouldn't survive in Moscow for too long.
 

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The rise of catholic hardliners was one of the reasons of people's rebellion in the Ukraine that triggered the downfall of PLC.

Nope, the uprising was triggered by the end of Wolnizna. When Ukraine was colonized, the settlers were given a long period, usually 30-40 years, of freedom from all duties called "wolnizna". Afterwards they were obliged to all duties of a serf. The most intensive phase of colonization happened between 1590 and 1620. Do the math yourself and you will have the reason why there was a huge social unrest after 1620s. The religious element in the Khmelnysky's uprising was absolutely secondary. Khmelnystsky himself was even ready to convert to Islam at one point in return for the Ottoman protection.
 
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So basically up until the Deluge, the PLC was quite tolerant of "heretics", and the conversions to Catholicism that happened were mostly voluntary, done by people who wanted to become Polish, thus they learned Polish, adopted the Polish culture and converted to the state religion which was presumably Catholic (I don't know if there was any official declaration about this).

After the Deluge it was mostly an issue of social pressure and external influence that cause this tolerance to vanish as the various sides began fighting each other (Catholic Polish/Lithuanians versus Protestatnt Polish/Lithuanians versus Orthodox Ruthenians/Cossacks, each of the sides with different support - Protestants presumably supported by Sweden, Orthodox supported by Russia).

Is this short summary somewhat accurate?

And thanks again for the descriptions!
 

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Well during/after the Deluge protestants were supsect of being Swedish collaborators/sympathisers. Although definetely there was a shift in policy then, I'd say it was only after the partitions that the Polish identity became ethnoreligious. Chunk by chunk, what was left was a Polish core that was at odds with Orthodox East and Protestant North (Germanic, but not only Swedish, there were strong Catholic factions in Sweden back then too). But it wasn't all religious, national romanticism victimised this core, the pure and pious Catholic Pole versus the land-hungry Russian demons and the Prussian industrialists. There was Polish high culture.. but that was being produced in France and Austria.

Also I wouldn't say that those early nobles voluntarily became Polish, if there is such thing. Polish culture existed as a system of civic customs in which the nobility participated long before Polish became the national culture we know it today. People are attracted to power anyway, and the idea of Sarmatism gave some sort of old and alien origins to PLC nobles, that exaclty transcended contemporary ethnic barriers. Somewhere along the way the PLC and its traditions became Poland and its realities, but that happened a bit late in the timeframe of the EU, and we should be mindful of that when trying to make sense of things of tolerance, language etc
 

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More or less, yes. In the Deluge Protestants in large part turned out to be disloyal and threw their lots with the Swedes, the most striking examples being the Duke of Prussia (who was the first senator of Poland) and the Protestant branch of the Radziwill family. Afterwards it was not cool to be a Protestant and Protestants largely converted into Catholicism. While some political right of Protestant nobility were curtailed, mainly the right to sit in the Sejm and Senate, the was still a number of public offices open to them as well as all possible positions in the military (in fact Protestants were always over-represented in the PLC military). They economic and social rights of Protestants were untouched for all social classes.

In case of Orthodoxes, there was not so much to curtail mainly because the number of Orthodox nobility were constantly dwindling due to ongoing catholicisation which was a voluntary process. By late 18th century there was no Orthodoxes of influence left. There were some Orthodox nobles scattered in some more remote areas, insignificant and without any clout.
 

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Sigismund III did not "introduce" any laws since he had no power to do so. In order to become law a bill had to be accepted by the Sejm, Senate and finally the king. And he was not a religious fanatic, like he is presented in the current popular history. Sigismund current reputation comes from popular books written by Pawel Jasienica in 1950-60s. However Jasienica fabricated lots of stuff. I mean really lots, he himself compared his works to novels. In real life Sigismund even allowed Protestant services to be held in his own royal palace. That's a long shot from a religious zealot like he's usually portrayed, right?

The Orthodoxes were treated the same like adherents of other Christian denomination, mainly literally all offices were open to them with the sole exception of the office of king himself. The Orthodox power in PLC waned because the Orthodox aristocracy gradually converted to Catholicism and got polonised. They did it by their own accord without the inference of the central government. In fact the central government was perhaps the last to recognize the polonisation and catholicisation of the eastern magnates. For decades documents sent to eastern Voidvodships were translated in the Royal Chancery into Ruthenian and then sent to the East, where it was translated back into Polish for the local magnates to understand them.

There was also the Union of Brzesc in 1596, in which most of Orthodox bishops severed their ties with Moscow and entered union with Rome. This event, portrayed in Russian historiography as a Catholic expansionism, was in fact done on the initiative of the Orthodox nobility and bishops who were fed up with Moscow's influence and her treatment of the Orthodox as a political tool. Only one bishopric (Mstislav) refused the union and was let alone, nothing happened to both her bishops and bishopric's estates.
You are overly idealising the situation with tolerance during the first two Vasa reign here. This has nothings to do with popular writings of Jasienica, just read Tazbir, Wisner, Augustyniak or any other classic or modern academic researchers of the 17th century's Polish-Lithuanian confessional history. Sigismund III did not even allow to bury his own Lutheran sister Anna Vasa for years, and it was only his son Wladyslaw IV who allowed a proper ceremony to be held in Torun in 1635, ten years later after her death. The reign of the first Vasas was full of the major Protestant and even anti-Jewish pogroms both in the Crown and Lithuania. For example, as in Vilnius in 1639 that resulted in pushing the Calvinist church, hospital and school outside the city walls in 1640 as per decision of the Sejm commission inspired and confirmed by Wladyslaw IV. A year before this the famous Socian academy of Raków was closed in Poland.

Regarding Brest union, you should really take in mind the closing and expropriation of the hundreds of the Orthodox churches that often were done against the will of the locals. As in case of the actions of infamous Kuntsevych in Polotsk and Vitebsk.

More or less, yes. In the Deluge Protestants in large part turned out to be disloyal and threw their lots with the Swedes, the most striking examples being the Duke of Prussia (who was the first senator of Poland)
Duke of Prussia never had a place in the PLC senate. He was the vassal of the Polish Crown, yes, but that's it. Only the nobles of Royal (i.e. Polish part of) Prussia were allowed to send delegates to the Sejm as well as some Prussian cities (the latter without the vote only as observers). The first senator of Poland (and Lithuania) was the Archbishop of Gniezno (Primate of Poland).

and the Protestant branch of the Radziwill family. Afterwards it was not cool to be a Protestant and Protestants largely converted into Catholicism.
Except the thousands of the Polish Brethren (Socians) that were expelled from the country in 1658 after they refused to convert.

While some political right of Protestant nobility were curtailed, mainly the right to sit in the Sejm and Senate, the was still a number of public offices open to them as well as all possible positions in the military (in fact Protestants were always over-represented in the PLC military). They economic and social rights of Protestants were untouched for all social classes.
Which offices exactly? Even the offices in the city councils (except the ones in Royal Prussia and Poznan) were solely guaranteed for the Catholics after the series of the laws in 1660s.

In case of Orthodoxes, there was not so much to curtail mainly because the number of Orthodox nobility were constantly dwindling due to ongoing catholicisation which was a voluntary process. By late 18th century there was no Orthodoxes of influence left. There were some Orthodox nobles scattered in some more remote areas, insignificant and without any clout.
I think it is quite hard to name such process "voluntary" when a group of people was deprived of a large portion of their political and civil rights (to occupy state offices) and treated as a marginal social group (named literary "dissidents" in the documents of the PLC era).
 
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I think it is quite hard to name such process "voluntary" when a group of people was deprived of a large portion of their political and civil rights (to occupy state offices) and treated as a marginal social group (named literary "dissidents" in the documents of the PLC era).
Oh, that changes a lot. So basically non-Catholics could not occupy any state offices?
 

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Oh, that changes a lot. So basically non-Catholics could not occupy any state offices?
Yes, officially after 1660s-1690s. Before this it was only unofficial policy of the Vasas who preferred to support Catholic candidates for the main offices before the Sejm (with some reservations for the Protestant branch of the Radziwills). The last Orthodox senator Aleksander Oginski (castellan of Trakai) died in 1667 and the last Lithuanian Protestant one Jan Sosnowski (castellan of Polotsk) - in 1660. There were simply no "dissident" senators in Lithuania at all; same situation in Poland. In 1673 the Orthodox were forbidden the right for nobilitation, in 1676 Orthodox religious brotherhoods were deprived of all previously granted rights and privileges, in 1717 (reconfirmed in 1733) the Orthodox lost the right to participate in the General Sejms etc.

It was the main reason why Prussia and Russia could manipulate the religious minorities and self-declare themselves as their protectors in the 18th century, openly intervening into internal affairs of PLC.
 
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@trybald, Herr Doctor

Thanks for the contribution to this thread, gentlemen.

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Thanks for facts and dates. This is more or less what I remembered - the orthodox were persecuted and it was getting worse. Which quite contrasts with a version of history induced in Polish schools that leaves you under the impression that PLC was perfect, tolerant, awesome state and those pesky Ukrainian peasants rebelled with no particular reason (probably because they were just evil).
 

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The Polish schools are nothing special in that sense in East European context as every educational system here tends to promote some kind of uncritical "golden age" myth of early modern era (15th century in Lithuania, 16th century in Belarus, Cossack era in Ukraine or the 18th century in Russia).
 
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The Polish schools are nothing special in that sense in East European context as every educational system here tends to promote some kind of uncritical "golden age" myth of early modern era (15th century in Lithuania, 16th century in Belarus, Cossack era in Ukraine or the 18th century in Russia).

In general, every educational systems produces myths. They are easier to digest them the truth (which is often complex or convoluted), and it is always easier to believe that we were the good guys. So the same is true also for the western educational systems. It is just that in central Europe you have more myths as we (due to various reasons) have much more emotional attitude towards our history. I expect that in eastern and south east Europe it is even worse.
 

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In general, every educational systems produces myths. They are easier to digest them the truth (which is often complex or convoluted), and it is always easier to believe that we were the good guys. So the same is true also for the western educational systems. It is just that in central Europe you have more myths as we (due to various reasons) have much more emotional attitude towards our history. I expect that in eastern and south east Europe it is even worse.
I think the rule of thumb is this: if you're not doing well in the present, you'll blame the past.

And regarding emotional attitudes, want me to mention Nazis to a German guy? ;)