Religious Conversion help

[kekeface123]

I am the King of Jerusalem, kinsman to the Bastard King of England (House de Normandie).
I want to convert to Orthodox and go for the pentarchy achievement.
It reads in this wikipage http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Religious_conversion#Character

From province (SoA)

With the Sons of Abraham DLC, characters can pick up the province religion, if it's in the same religion group but not the top liege's religion. Heretics and pagans are not eligible. The local religion must have at least the same moral authority as the character's old religion. The character's current location is used, so commanders (including rulers) may convert to a foreign religion this way.



So I put my king on 200 man troop army and send him to Constantinople, the capital of Orthodoxy.
I do not see any decision in intrigue menu to change religion.
Am I doing something wrong?

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Uh, you need to conquer it and make it your capital.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

From province (SoA)...
The character's current location is used, so commanders (including rulers) may convert to a foreign religion this way.

What the.. Ignore it. *
Only religion and culture in your capital matters.


* edit: is an event (realy should mention it inthe Wiki), see post #8

 

[kekeface123]

So the WIKI article is fake?
Can someone update it please ?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

So the WIKI article is fake?
Can someone update it please ?

Not fake, but somebody wrote (probably) nonsense in it.
Purpose or not , hard to say, probably not with bad intentions, but by mistake and confusing things.
Happens.

Indians can change religion to any province religion in their own realm, unless zealous.
Maybe 'commanders' was intended to refer to holy orders or something.

Maybe it's simply outdated, but i can't recall such option. Hmm..well..

 

[CaptainPolyp]

It does not state that it is a conversion by decision tho. Maybe it works, but on a MTTH basis. But I don't know; never tried... and I guess it can be long.
Converting the heir via heritage focus and educator seems easier than having to conquer a province far away and move the capital (except if nomad).

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

It does not state that it is a conversion by decision tho. Maybe it works, but on a MTTH basis. But I don't know; never tried... and I guess it can be long.
Converting the heir via heritage focus and educator seems easier than having to conquer a province far away and move the capital (except if nomad).

As a random event ? Oh...err....don't think so...thouh then it's probably a patch rather than DLC feature..
..and now i recall the decison to be a feature of Rajas of India....confusing. *sigh*
I need more sugar..

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

It does not state that it is a conversion by decision tho. Maybe it works, but on a MTTH basis. But I don't know; never tried... and I guess it can be long.
Converting the heir via heritage focus and educator seems easier than having to conquer a province far away and move the capital (except if nomad).

update:
Is indeed an event in SoA.....holla..

Spoiler

# SoA.4020 - Character picks up province religion, if it's in the same religion group but not the top liege's religion
#    - Notify liege: SoA 4021

# Character converts to local religion
character_event = {
    id = SoA.4020
    desc = EVTDESC_SOA_4020
    picture = GFX_evt_heretic
    border = GFX_event_normal_frame_religion

    min_age = 16
    capable_only = yes
    prisoner = no

    trigger = {
        has_dlc = "Sons of Abraham"

        NOT = {
            trait = zealous
        }

        is_heretic = no # Heretics, already people of strong conviction, never change religion spontaneously

        OR = {
            is_ruler = no
            is_theocracy = no
        }

        can_change_religion = yes

        NOT = { religion_authority = 0.9 }

        location = {
            religion_group = ROOT
            NOT = { religion = ROOT }
            NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group }
            OR = {
                is_heretic = yes
                religion_authority = ROOT # The local religion has at least the same authority as my religion
            }
        }
        NOT = { trait = in_hiding }
    }

    mean_time_to_happen = {
        months = 360
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.25
            trait = cynical
            independent = no
            location = {
                ROOT = {
                    top_liege = {
                        religion = PREVPREV
                    }
                }
            }
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 1.5
            religion_authority = 0.6
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 1.5
            religion_authority = 0.7
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 1.5
            religion_authority = 0.8
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 2.0
            religion_authority = 0.9
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 4.0
            NOT = { is_heresy_of = ROOT }
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.5
            NOT = { religion_authority = 0.2 }
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.75
            NOT = { religion_authority = 0.3 }
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.75
            NOT = { religion_authority = 0.4 }
        }
        modifier = {
            factor = 0.75
            NOT = { religion_authority = 0.5 }
        }
    }

    option = {
        name = EVTOPTA_SOA_4020
        ai_chance = { factor = 100 }

        hidden_tooltip = {
            if = {
                limit = {
                    independent = no
                    liege = {
                        religion = ROOT
                    }
                }
                liege = {
                    character_event = { id = SoA.4021 days = 3 }
                }
            }
        }

        location = {
            reverse_religion = ROOT
        }
        hidden_tooltip = {
            if = {
                limit = { religion_group = indian_group }
                set_character_flag = india_converted
                character_event = { id = RoI.30120 } # Set religious branch randomly
            }
        }
    }
    option = {
        name = EVTOPTB_SOA_4020
        ai_chance = { factor = 0 }
    }
}

I wonder if that works.
Ah, it sure works in the local provinces (if i identified the event correctly now), but as commander in another province....don't know.


offtopic:
I realised searching for this how i miss some events that happen only without SoA...
Disabling events is such a bad idea....instead of simply adding more event options with DLC..., but whatever...

 

[CaptainPolyp]

A MTTH of 360 months is very long.
So if I understand correctly the modifiers:
- for a cynical vassal => 360*4
- for a religion with moral authority = 90 => 360/2
- for an heresy of the player's religion => 360/4

Not sure I read them correctly tho.

And I don't understand the NOT commands before the low moral authority conditions.

 

[deadhand13]

Or you could just get your heir educated by an orthodox character like the rest of us do it...

 

[Bernard95]

Seeing how you have Rajas, just conquer an Orthodox province and you're good to go- use the "Convert to Local Religion" decision. Alternatively, use education as the poster above mentions or you could even swear fealty to the Byzantines if they're still Orthodox and use the "Convert to Liege's Religion" decision.