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Catholic: 34
Protestant: 32
Reformed: 24
Orthodox: 24
Coptic: 13
Sunni: 20
Shia: 28
Ibadi: 16
Shinto: 14
Hindu: 24
Sikh: 21
Inti: 23
Mayan: 18 Nahuatl: 23 - Needs some work to get there, but when reformed those bonuses are stellar
Tengri: 20
Norse: 20 Jewish: 16 - No useful bonuses and not even any special mechanics to make it interesting
Zoroastrian: 21
Catholic: 34
Protestant: 32
Reformed: 25
Orthodox: 24
Coptic: 13
Sunni: 20 Shia: 29 (Have very strong bonuses and even have a very strong supplement/synergy in pious bonus.)
Ibadi: 16 Shinto: 12 (I am sorry, but the benies are small for this choice still and no special spice mechanics to boost it.)
Hindu: 24
Sikh: 21
Inti: 23
Mayan: 18
Nahuatl: 23
Tengri: 20
Norse: 20
Jewish: 14
Zoroastrian: 21
The buddhism karma system is a b*. You have to be pretty masochistic to convert into it! It is kind of an antithesis to all other religions most of the time.
These threads would probably work better if everyone just ranked all the different religions and so voted once and then things just got tallied. The rank could be the score and the lower the better, golf style. It would be more effective and more accurate even though it would involve slightly more math. The OP may be the one to constantly count the new votes and update the front page which would be a hassle to be sure.
I personally am not nearly familiar enough with the non-christian religions to vote at the moment myself.
Catholic: 34
Protestant: 32
Reformed: 25
Orthodox: 24
Coptic: 13
Sunni: 20
Shia: 29
Ibadi: 16
Shinto: 12
Hindu: 24
Sikh: 21
Inti: 23 Mayan: 19 - a bit disadvantaged by its +1 adviser, but a far more pleasant reform mechanic compared to Nahuatl and the reform bonuses are better than Inti
Nahuatl: 23
Tengri: 20
Norse: 20 Jewish: 12 - an extra adviser is a joke as you can now replace them and the lack of flavour means it is just 'there' (for the limited time it exists...)
Zoroastrian: 21
Okay so i know you weren't happy with absolute monarchy coming so high in the last one but besides from that what is so out of place in the others? And i mean like super out of place
The winning government is actually my personal favorite to play as. Hansa is probably my favorite start.
From there though, it DOES break down. Dutch republic is objectively the best government in the game, and fell to 4th. Elective monarchy is easily the most interesting, is competitive and CAN be the most powerful, has the only really involved peacetime mechanic system (with actually working for PUs) and all kinds of good stuff. It's all the way down at 11th, largely downvoted by people who don't know how to use it. AM is 3rd and only unlocked at admin 20 without nation designer availability, while actual designer choices were killed for being unavailable and revolutionary obviously got axed hard. Iqta at 20th is laughable; I assume people were downvoting the grammar of the word or something, this one is just inexcusable. Ambrosian republic is a shitty mediocre form of republic, ONLY really good because it IS a 4 year republic, but it's in 6th... because of Milan only events (they literally say tag=MLO in them), which seems wildly out of the rule set. Look at oligarchic and noble republics, way down, with basic monarchies well ahead of them.
That list doesn't even come close to representing good governments. Not at all. The national idea one was an idea strength vote with some popularity thrown in, while the gov form one was a popularity contest with a little bit of strength thrown in.
This one I expect will fair somewhere in between those two. It doesn't smell like it'll be as absolutely idiotic as government forms, but I don't think it's looking as promising as the more intelligent national idea vote either.
All that said, don't change YOUR style sir! It's not your job to keep the forum smart or informed. Do your best, start good threads, and if ones like government forms get ransacked into stupidity... there's always the next thread.
I've given my reasoning for disliking the weak bonuses on Judaism and Zoroastrian already, they're weaker than the remaining faiths so off they go.
I'll give Sunni a nod. It's one of the more "boring, but effective" type religions in the game but it has the solid piety mechanic and extra unrest resistance, along with the usual triggered modifiers/DotF. Diwani script is a small bonus, not very useful but nice if you're stuck with a trash government form.
Edit:
+1 to what Yerm said. These threads are fun and I like their presence, it's just a mistake to take their results as a serious conclusion of anything.
The fact that stuff like AM (late game only, bad government typing) made top 5 while something like Oligarchic fell to bottom 10, with really ponderous voting throughout, calls the credibility of the threads as a ranking mechanic into question strongly. But the methodology itself is obviously flawed for attempting that anyway. You'd never run a market research or medical product test this way because the methodology is so error and bias prone.
I've given my reasoning for disliking the weak bonuses on Judaism and Zoroastrian already, they're weaker than the remaining faiths so off they go.
I'll give Sunni a nod. It's one of the more "boring, but effective" type religions in the game but it has the solid piety mechanic and extra unrest resistance, along with the usual triggered modifiers/DotF. Diwani script is a small bonus, not very useful but nice if you're stuck with a trash government form.
Edit:
+1 to what Yerm said. These threads are fun and I like their presence, it's just a mistake to take their results as a serious conclusion of anything.
The fact that stuff like AM (late game only, bad government typing) made top 5 while something like Oligarchic fell to bottom 10, with really ponderous voting throughout, calls the credibility of the threads as a ranking mechanic into question strongly. But the methodology itself is obviously flawed for attempting that anyway. You'd never run a market research or medical product test this way because the methodology is so error and bias prone.
Catholic: 31 -2 I just hate the Papal mechanics so much
Protestant: 31
Reformed: 26
Orthodox: 25
Coptic: 11
Sunni: 21
Shia: 30 +1 gotta love that religious casus belli
Ibadi: 14
Shinto: 12
Hindu: 24
Sikh: 21
Inti: 23
Mayan: 19
Nahuatl: 24
Tengri: 20
Norse: 21
Jewish: 6
Zoroastrian: 21
I know Shia and Sunni are objectively very, very good. The problem is when a leader dies and you can no longer convert a province, as well as the DoW piety mechanic basically mean that if you're blobbing you'll be 100% pious regardless of what you want. Orthodox offers me great bonuses, the control I desire and a spiffy slider anyway.
Catholic: 31
Protestant: 31
Reformed: 26
Orthodox: 27
Coptic: 11
Sunni: 19
Shia: 30
Ibadi: 14
Shinto: 10 Hindu: 25 - I think it's quite difficult to argue Hindu isn't the best religion. It's diverse and applicable to almost any situation, and carries Shiva's -coring cost -aggressive expansion, which is just incredible.
Sikh: 21
Inti: 23
Mayan: 19
Nahuatl: 24
Tengri: 20
Norse: 21 Jewish: 4 - The only real competitors for this were Zoroastrian and Coptic, both of which have marginally more useful boni. I expect all three of these to be gone quite shortly, though.
Zoroastrian: 21 - I'm not sure why Zoroastrian is above Shinto? I think just less people have played Zoroastrians, but Shinto is miles better.
