Religious Bonuses Elimination Thread

[Alectron]

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Trading in bonuses (not goods themselves, but the bonuses they give)
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Best expansions

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Given all the talk about Buddhism, I wondered what people thought about these changes from the upcoming patch, and how they would affect things

Given that Buddhists can now actually declare war without being hit by an immediate 10% discipline malus, and get slightly cheaper vassal feeding, how would their ranking change?

Probably only 1 or 2 places.

 

[delpiero1234]

Suggestions for next elemination thread:

1. Best CB
2. Best Policy
3. Best Advisor

Best CB sounds awesome

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Best policy sounds interesting but I doubt a huge amount of people know the policies intimately enough.

They obviously didn't know religions intimately enough, so how much worse could it be?

 

[Soranya]

Given all the talk about Buddhism, I wondered what people thought about these changes from the upcoming patch, and how they would affect things

Given that Buddhists can now actually declare war without being hit by an immediate 10% discipline malus, and get slightly cheaper vassal feeding, how would their ranking change?

I Actually based my voting on the latest beta patch.

Edit:
And for the Policies i think listing what they do, which MP category they belong to and what Ideagroups they need should be in the list.

B.C. honestly i can not remember a single name of a policy
For me they all are "that one that comes with X and Y cost Z and does A" ^^

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

They obviously didn't know religions intimately enough, so how much worse could it be?

things can always be worse, ask the starks

 

[yerm]

Can the next one be "favorite" and not "best" please? Clearly, best in these last 2 mostly means favorite, as "blobbing all over the place" is a personal preference and not merely optimal and the Casual Justice Warriors are dominating these threads with their self limitation is my playstyle choice rhetoric. God forbid we define best as anything other than best for what I feel like in the moment and make it about things like, I don't know, conquest in sp and victory in mp? Nah.

So, yeah, given the direction these go, let's just seal the deal and make the next one favorite rather than best, so there's no bitterness and angsty posts like that last paragraph. Just pure, unadulterated, only-slightly-judgmental personal preference to decide the vote.

I'll go ahead and say "favorite starting region" please. British Isles, Western Europe, Non-Italian HRE, Italy, Iberia, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Balkans, Anatolia, North Africa, Sahel... I think the point is made.

 

[FrigidSoul]

So, yeah, given the direction these go, let's just seal the deal and make the next one favorite rather than best, so there's no bitterness and angsty posts like that last paragraph. Just pure, unadulterated, only-slightly-judgmental personal preference to decide the vote.

Or we could really twist minds: "Best Self-Limiting Sub-optimal Playstyle"

 

[Soranya]

Or "best min/max play style" - i am pretty sure what will win but i wonder what will come in 2nd and 3rd and so on

 

[balmung60]

Given all the talk about Buddhism, I wondered what people thought about these changes from the upcoming patch, and how they would affect things

Given that Buddhists can now actually declare war without being hit by an immediate 10% discipline malus, and get slightly cheaper vassal feeding, how would their ranking change?

Still bad, and still pretty much the worst because no other religion even CAN give a penalty of -10% discipline and it still greatly limits the ability of Buddhists to warmonger. Now, if karma automatically ticked up when at peace, it might be a little more bearable, since it would make it easier to keep it somewhere reasonable.

 

[Promanco]

They obviously didn't know religions intimately enough, so how much worse could it be?

To be fair the top 10 and the top 5 of this game were quite accurate lol
Granted I disagree on how the final 3 went down, long live the SHIA!

 

[radiatoren]

Catholic: 20
Protestant: 18 (Won the vote!)
Reformed: 20
Orthodox: 0 (Trolls choice)
Coptic: 20
Sunni: 20
Shia: -5000 (Zealots choice)
Ibadi: 20
Theravada: 20
Vajrayana: 20
Mahayana: 5000 (Most flamed)
Confucian: 20
Shinto: 20
Hindu: 20
Sikh: 20
Pagan: 21 (First eliminated)
Inti: 20
Mayan: 20
Nahuatl: 20
Tengri: 20
Norse: 20
Jewish: 20
Zoroastrian: 20

 

[TheMeInTeam]

To be fair the top 10 and the top 5 of this game were quite accurate lol
Granted I disagree on how the final 3 went down, long live the SHIA!

To be fair, putting Nahuatl and Inti in the top 10 over Abrahamic faiths is a laughingstock joke. Path clearly explained why the "top 5" isn't accurate either and why #15 is, for people expanding effectively, superior to #2. Even #13 is, though one generally wouldn't keep Ibadi. These rankings are a mess, not as bad as the governments one perhaps, but still a mess. Zoro, Shinto, and Buddhism are all too high too.

1. Protestant
2. Hindu
3. Shia
4. Catholic
5. Reformed
6. Sunni
7. Orthodox
8. Nahuatl
9. Inti
10. Norse
11. Tengri
12. Mayan
13. Ibadi
14. Sikh
15. Coptic
16. Zoroastrian
17. Shinto
18. Jewish
19. Vajrayana
20. Theravada
21. Confucian
22. Mahayana
23. Pagan

 

[Alectron]

In fact, the fully reformed Inti, Mayan and Nahuatl seem to be quite better than Orthodoxy, and especially Copticism. I guess they lost due to reforming and easy converting.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

To be fair, putting Nahuatl and Inti in the top 10 over Abrahamic faiths is a laughingstock joke. Path clearly explained why the "top 5" isn't accurate either and why #15 is, for people expanding effectively, superior to #2. Even #13 is, though one generally wouldn't keep Ibadi. These rankings are a mess, not as bad as the governments one perhaps, but still a mess. Zoro, Shinto, and Buddhism are all too high too.

1. Protestant
2. Hindu
3. Shia
4. Catholic
5. Reformed
6. Sunni
7. Orthodox
8. Nahuatl
9. Inti
10. Norse
11. Tengri
12. Mayan
13. Ibadi
14. Sikh
15. Coptic
16. Zoroastrian
17. Shinto
18. Jewish
19. Vajrayana
20. Theravada
21. Confucian
22. Mahayana
23. Pagan

Path's top five was Catholic, Protestant, Reformed, Coptic, Ibadi. Sounds like you two have the same list.