Religions ----> Governments

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wery good! (I dunno how many times I've said that to him) I've started to edit some buildings, I'll mail them to you when I'm finished. It can take a while since I have to colour one pixel at a time, but the buildings shouldn't be too hard.

 

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Our current names for religions should be shorter IMHO

And about the U.S., like Islam it is good in the beginning but then begins to degrade.

As for China, Fascism would be a much better description of its government than Communism. Communist politicians aren't allowed to engage in private enterprise.

 

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couple o' ideas

i didn't read the whole way through, so sue me if these have been mentioned:

rename the rebels 'freedom fighters'

use an unassigned tag for terrorists; you could write events for their armies to show up in certain provinces from time to time

use the flags to your advantage; for example, right now one flag changes some catholic countries into protestant- you could use that to simulate the communist bloc or whatever your hearts desire as a large scale change of regime

we could use certain tags' elector status to simulate the borders of the european union; that would give the union's 'prime minister' some leeway and certain 'governments' annexing provinces would cause some countries to be 'kicked out'.

steph

 

[Gathenhielm]

Re: couple o' ideas

Originally posted by stephanos
i didn't read the whole way through, so sue me if these have been mentioned:

rename the rebels 'freedom fighters'

Much better name then anarchists.
And now a days all "freedom fighters" are classified as terrorist it would be perfect because everyone attack them.

 

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Re: Re: couple o' ideas

Originally posted by Gathenhielm
Much better name then anarchists.
And now a days all "freedom fighters" are classified as terrorist it would be perfect because everyone attack them.

it could go that way too, but the reason i thought they should be separate is this: the rebels form new countries after successful revolts, not likely something that an 'al-qaeda' would do. if you have a separate tag for terrorists, then you could tailor-make events for specific hijackings, etc. there would have to be a way to make sure the terrorist tag were at war with the country in question, and that relations were poor.

steph

 

[Gathenhielm]

Re: Re: Re: couple o' ideas

Originally posted by stephanos


it could go that way too, but the reason i thought they should be separate is this: the rebels form new countries after successful revolts, not likely something that an 'al-qaeda' would do. if you have a separate tag for terrorists, then you could tailor-make events for specific hijackings, etc. there would have to be a way to make sure the terrorist tag were at war with the country in question, and that relations were poor.

steph

I know what your mean, but can you say a revolter somewhere wich is not called terrorists? (the revolters in West Sahara maybe?)
And I like the idea with terrorists tag, but I really dont understand.

 

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Much better name then anarchists.
And now a days all "freedom fighters" are classified as terrorist it would be perfect because everyone attack them.

Anarchists are certainly not the same thing as rebels. Rebels fight against their own government, anarchists fight for, well, anarchism.

BTW as to Islam, should the difference be between Sunni and Shiite or between more Secular and more Spiritual islamic states?

Well, the by "Christian Democracy," I basically mean a conservative ideology - an ideology that stands for corporations and moralizing in a democracy. Perhaps we should rename Christian Democracy to Converservatism to take into account secular Moslem states?

 

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Socialist = Sunni
Plutocracy = Shiite
(they are ideological extremes who have auto-CBs on each other)

Monarchy = Catholic
Republic = Protestant
Democracy = Reformed
Fascism = CRC (sort of counter-democracy)

This way they can force-convert each other, and convert.

Hindu = Hindu
Moslem = Confucian
Theocracy = Buddhist
(the wars of religion aren't quite over yet :/)

Tribal = Pagan

Socialist - The attempt to mold government so people are given on a basis of their needs, not their ability. Power goes to the party, who decide what is best for the people.
Rule of the Party

Plutocracy - The attempt to mold government so people succeed on their own merit, and power is given to those who are the most successful.
Rule of the Richest

Monarchy - The rule of a king or queen over the land
Rule of the King

Democracy - The rule of a governing body directly elected by the people
Rule of the Electorate

Republic - The rule of a governing body selected to represent the people
Rule of the Senate

Fascism - The rule of a few elites who hold power through means of military might and propaganda
Rule of the Firearm

the rest are self explanatory

 

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Originally posted by Captain Krunch
Paganism - Anarchy
Protestantism - Republic
Reformed - Democracy
CRC Catholicism - Socialist Republic
Catholicism - Socialist Dictatorship
Orthodox - Constitutional Monarchy
Hinduism - Absolute Monarchy
Confucianism - Fascism
Buddhism - Theocratic Republic
Sunni Islam - Christian Dictatorship
Shiite Islam - Islamic Dictatorship

I've just started putting the governments in, and have run into some problems with this setup:

1. Where should I make the distinction between republic and democracy?
2. I need a secular dictatorship, almost all are not religious.
3. I need to make a distinction between theocracies, having one theocracy, for all religions just does not work.

The solution to this would be to make the theocracy be some utopian government, turn the religious dictotorships into theocracies, and turn the democracy into a dictatorship, to make it possible to force convert dictatorships. This would work perfectly, although I think we should elimenate absolute monarchy, and turn it into a 1984 government, and represent absolute monarchy as a dictatorship, which it basicaly is.

 

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Originally posted by Benjamin Miller


I've just started putting the governments in, and have run into some problems with this setup:

1. Where should I make the distinction between republic and democracy?
2. I need a secular dictatorship, almost all are not religious.
3. I need to make a distinction between theocracies, having one theocracy, for all religions just does not work.

The solution to this would be to make the theocracy be some utopian government, turn the religious dictotorships into theocracies, and turn the democracy into a dictatorship, to make it possible to force convert dictatorships. This would work perfectly, although I think we should elimenate absolute monarchy, and turn it into a 1984 government, and represent absolute monarchy as a dictatorship, which it basicaly is.

A republic is a government where power rests in the hands of elected officials. In a democracy, you can have elected officials, but they are subjected to the will of the people. There is also such a thing called a direct democracy, which Switzerland it the only nation I know of that has this... basically in a direct democracy, people decide things themselves, without elected officials. It is basically just a more highly advanced form of Republic.

Fascism is secular dictatorship.

Theocracy can be done away with, we can just stick to Christian and Islamic fundamentalism. You can replace the Buddhism with a 1984 futuristic government.

You can also get rid of Constitutional monarchy, and probably should get rid of it. But please keep absolute monarchy, because there really is a difference between that and a dictatorship... People are generally more accepting of a monarch than a dictator, even if they both have the same level of power. The reason is because monarchs are considered to be in power by divine right, whereas dictators do not.

 

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*Ahem*
What about my government choices?

 

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I'll rename socialist dictatorship to dictatorship, so a generic dictatorship can be force-converted. I'd classify Iraq as a dictatorship, as it's neither fascist, Islamic or socialist. I think I'll keep an Iran style theocratic repulic, but I'd like to get it included in the Christian religions, so that it can force convert stuff. I could switch democracy with the theocratic republic, as I imagine Iran would like to force some countries to be Theocracies, while other countries would like to force-convert Iran. This also protects democracies from being force-converted.

I'll rename democracy to Direct-Democracy, to keep it seperate from the Democracy, which is a combination of the constitutional monarchy and republic, and turn the constitutional monarcy into a 1984 Totilitarian government. And rename the religious dictatorships to be Taliban-style fundimentalist governments.

As even I can't follow this mess of a post, I'll just post what I think we should change it to:

Paganism - Anarchy
Protestantism - Democracy
Reformed - Theocratic Republic
CRC Catholicism - Socialist Republic
Catholicism - Dictatorship
Orthodox - Totilitarian
Hinduism - Absolute Monarchy
Confucianism - Fascism
Buddhism - Direct Democracy
Sunni Islam - Christian Fundimentalism
Shiite Islam - Islamic Fundimentalism

How does this sound?

 

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Socialist - The attempt to mold government so people are given on a basis of their needs, not their ability. Power goes to the party, who decide what is best for the people.
Rule of the Party

Plutocracy - The attempt to mold government so people succeed on their own merit, and power is given to those who are the most successful.
Rule of the Richest

Democracy - The rule of a governing body directly elected by the people
Rule of the Electorate

Democracy is a method of choosing who leads, it is not a form of government. You can have a Communist, Plutocratic (Isn't Capitalism a more modern term?), or even Theocratic democracy. The system of Soviet elections was quite similar to the one we have in the United States today, but with a couple more tiers--starting with the proletariat, electorates chose leaders to smaller and smaller councils until finally the politburo chose a leader.

 

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Originally posted by Benjamin Miller
I'll rename socialist dictatorship to dictatorship, so a generic dictatorship can be force-converted. I'd classify Iraq as a dictatorship, as it's neither fascist, Islamic or socialist. I think I'll keep an Iran style theocratic repulic, but I'd like to get it included in the Christian religions, so that it can force convert stuff. I could switch democracy with the theocratic republic, as I imagine Iran would like to force some countries to be Theocracies, while other countries would like to force-convert Iran. This also protects democracies from being force-converted.

I'll rename democracy to Direct-Democracy, to keep it seperate from the Democracy, which is a combination of the constitutional monarchy and republic, and turn the constitutional monarcy into a 1984 Totilitarian government. And rename the religious dictatorships to be Taliban-style fundimentalist governments.

As even I can't follow this mess of a post, I'll just post what I think we should change it to:

Paganism - Anarchy
Protestantism - Democracy
Reformed - Theocratic Republic
CRC Catholicism - Socialist Republic
Catholicism - Dictatorship
Orthodox - Totilitarian
Hinduism - Absolute Monarchy
Confucianism - Fascism
Buddhism - Direct Democracy
Sunni Islam - Christian Fundimentalism
Shiite Islam - Islamic Fundimentalism

How does this sound?

My only significant objection to this arrangment, is that you have Totalitarian, Dictatorship, and Fascism... when in reality, these are all basically the same thing...

 

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My only significant objection to this arrangment, is that you have Totalitarian, Dictatorship, and Fascism... when in reality, these are all basically the same thing...

For once, I agree with you.

 

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We will be going 200 years into the future, so I see no reason why we can't include some fantasy futuristic government types. How about some proposals?

I propose this one:

Corporate Fascism

 

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Yes, call it corporatism or something. Like a more extreme form of capitalist democracy (see my last post).

THE NAMES NEED SHORTENING!!

For example, Socialist Republic=Socialism, Theocratic Republic=Theocracy, and rename the Socialist Dictatorship/Dictatorship to Marxism. Please.

 

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I don't see how a company could litterally control a country.

It seems more of a space thing. Companies being chartered to control and run colonies on planets.

 

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Perhaps some type of government run by an extremely intelligent computer? Or a government, where cybernetic machines do all the work, and humans do nothing..

 

[Gathenhielm]

Originally posted by Captain Krunch



You can also get rid of Constitutional monarchy, and probably should get rid of it.

There is a huge differense to have a HoS that has no power. That makes the prime minister the one with most power. In sweden the party leader is always the prime minister. And you dont vote on persons you vote on parties, but it is always good to have a good party leader.