Religion tolerance settins

[Necro]

Is there a way to remove some of the religions from the AI controlled countries tolerance settings?

EX: I would like Austria to face the music for owning Cathilic, Protostant, Reformed, Orthidox, and Moslum religions. Currently all five have high tolerance and allow Austria to keep on expanding even though they are "Hated throughout the World".

Since I'm not a world conquorer, this would keep AI countries more historical in my view (at least keeping them busy with revolts).

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

You can edit their tolerance in the save file, the ai may or may not change them back though. Turning down the aggressiveness setting and lowering the warmonger value in the ai files can decrease the chance of these large empires in the first place.

 

[Owl]

I've been tempted to edit the AI's tolerances too.
I kept getting revolts in Greece etc because I had to split my tolerances between Catholic, Ortho and Moslem
- fine, I understood that, but I was annoyed to see that the Turks owned other Orthodox provinces and had a "-5 religion" revolt risk factor.... the Ottomans were not especially tolerant IIRC ...

 

[Heretic]

agreed,

It would be highly beneficial if religious factors caused more unrest in leagr empires.
this is what the whole tolerance system if for, so it would be nice if it caused more of a problem.

Heretic

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Owl
I've been tempted to edit the AI's tolerances too.
I kept getting revolts in Greece etc because I had to split my tolerances between Catholic, Ortho and Moslem
- fine, I understood that, but I was annoyed to see that the Turks owned other Orthodox provinces and had a "-5 religion" revolt risk factor.... the Ottomans were not especially tolerant IIRC ...

Isn't -4 the best religion bonus u can get?

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by BiB


Isn't -4 the best religion bonus u can get?

I thought so!

 

[Owl]

Originally posted by BiB


Isn't -4 the best religion bonus u can get?

I will take your word for it. perils of posting from work ...
-4 then. Does that make it any more realistic in an Orthodox province only recently seized by the infidel horde?

 

[Necro]

Can it be done

So far I see "editing the save files and change tolerance settings for computer countries".

I tried this but the computer adjusts back.

Is there a way to eliminate tolerance bars for the computer countries?

 

[Castellon]

Re: Can it be done

Originally posted by Necro
So far I see "editing the save files and change tolerance settings for computer countries".

I tried this but the computer adjusts back.

Is there a way to eliminate tolerance bars for the computer countries?

Sorry not that I know about. You could ask in the Senario/Editing forum though.

 

[Nikolai II]

Originally posted by Owl


I will take your word for it. perils of posting from work ...
-4 then. Does that make it any more realistic in an Orthodox province only recently seized by the infidel horde?

If it was the turks taking orthodox, yeah.

They treated christians ok, as 'people of the book/one god faith'

They also had lower taxes and less mighty enemies in the neighborhood (less looting on owned provinces) which is more important for most people than whether their churches get to be the biggest religous building in the area IMHO.

Then it might seem nasty that you aren't allowed to be as cosmopolite, but them's the breaks of playing a human-controlled country, just play boehms non-player pbem and you'll get the same benefits as the AI

 

[unmerged(9895)]

wait.....hold on....back up the bus....there is a warmonger value for AI nations you can edit???

im guess im different that most people, i like seeing large nations rise up, then i like seeing them fall, only to be replaced by new large nations.

I guess i just get excited by seeing something the "could of" really happened , and how that nation deals with it. Now, as these are ai nations, i know its not a good example, but still fun to watch.

how would i adjust this warmonger value, and what else will it affect?

 

[Castellon]

Find this line in the appropriate AI file.

# 100 = Total warmonger, 0 = absolute pacifist
war = 80

 

[unmerged(6132)]

Originally posted by Heretic
agreed,
It would be highly beneficial if religious factors caused more unrest in leagr empires.
this is what the whole tolerance system if for, so it would be nice if it caused more of a problem.

Well, my limited experience with EU II (third game so far) has taught me to avoid taking provinces that would add a fourth religion to my empire. Keeping protestants, catholics and orthodox reasonably in line suddenly caused problems when I accidentally took a reformed province.

ARGH! In with them missionaries!

 

[unmerged(9895)]

only problem with changing the AI religious tolerance is that you make a cheat for the human players

say for example , you choose to be the Ottoman Empire in the age of exploration scenario, which starts in 1492

you start off with a country divided between many sunni's and orthodox'es , with just a few catholics.

now, historically, the turkish religious tolerance of catholics should be all the way to the bottom, just as most catholics should be towards muslims, for this time.

problem then arrises that no player in his right mind is going to keep catholic tolerance at the bottom, because then you would face constant rebellions in your already catholic provinces, and have no hope of ever conquesting into hungary and austria, because most are catholic , and conversion percentage is very low.

so then a human OE is able to set religious tolerances any way he sees fit, while an AI controlled OE is doomed to fall apart and never be a scare to the nations of europe

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by KrisKannon
so then a human OE is able to set religious tolerances any way he sees fit, while an AI controlled OE is doomed to fall apart and never be a scare to the nations of europe

Human can set it to what he wants just like the AI can. No Cheat here.

 

[unmerged(8576)]

Originally posted by Owl
I've been tempted to edit the AI's tolerances too.
I kept getting revolts in Greece etc because I had to split my tolerances between Catholic, Ortho and Moslem
- fine, I understood that, but I was annoyed to see that the Turks owned other Orthodox provinces and had a "-5 religion" revolt risk factor.... the Ottomans were not especially tolerant IIRC ...

The Ottomans were very tolerant. They didn´t have much choice, really.

 

[Owl]

Originally posted by Oleg

The Ottomans were very tolerant. They didn´t have much choice, really.

OK, I stand corrected
but I still think a heavy minus value for a Christian province occupied by even tolerant Muslims is wrong. At best it should be neutral - i.e. "they don't bother us much" - so no effect on revolt risk.

 

[Asaris]

I suspect it might make some sense. Who would be more tolerant of the orthodox population in the Balkans, Austria or the Ottomans? One could easily answer, the Ottomans (though I don't personally know enough history to say for sure.)

 

[unmerged(8576)]

Originally posted by Owl


OK, I stand corrected
but I still think a heavy minus value for a Christian province occupied by even tolerant Muslims is wrong. At best it should be neutral - i.e. "they don't bother us much" - so no effect on revolt risk.

Yes, I agree completely. Neutral seems reasonable to me too.

And Asaris: You are completely correct. The Habsburgs were not very tolerant at all, just like most Christian nations. On the other hand, the Ottoman Empire was the most tolerant nation of them all, IMO.

 

[unmerged(9895)]

i would say there are more than one culture inside the united states. Hell i live in detroit michigan, and if i travel an hour or so north it almost seems like i have entered a different country. All those people driving old pick-ups and walking around bare foot, scary to think about it. Anyway, 100 is out of the question, 50 tops (one for each state would sound realistic, but not in game terms) but a better solution would be three: East Coast, MidWest, and Western ( think about all those old wild west shoot outs going on while New York City was a thriving banking city)