Europa Universalis covers a time where religion was still a very important part of everybody’s life and also an important subject in policy. Because of this, I suggest to release a religion - dlc. I also have some ideas. Let’s start with the most important changes, the “Major changes”:
-Major changes:
- At first we need of course the “More religions in one province” feature which I suggested in this thread some days ago: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?814316-Rework-the-religion-and-culture-system
One religion per province is retarded and absolutely unrealistic. This needs to get changed definitely.
Also something which came recently in my mind: Even if a let’s say Sunni ruler hasn’t a missionary in a Coptic province the Sunni population should increase VERY slowly anyway. Local autonomy of a province should have an impact on this automatic conversion. If the autonomy is 50% the Sunni population will grow like 0,0005% per year, but if the autonomy is lower, conversion should be a bit faster. Also another feature has an impact on automatic conversion rate:
- The piety ranking: There is now some kind of piety ranking in the game, stretching from 0 (Ultra unorthodox) to 10 (Massmurdering religious fanatical). If you rule an unorthodox, tolerant to everybody’s religion kingdom you can be sure that your foreign religion population will love you and even might pay higher taxes. The other side of the medal is that the foreign religion population won’t convert to your own religion automatically. Even worse, the foreign religion population might increase (As long as the province has a higher autonomy then 0)! Also your missionaries have a much lower conversion rate.
Apro pos missionaries: If you use them excessively, you increase the piety of your kingdom (Other ways might be events). This makes them stronger, but the foreign language population won’t be that happy anymore.
If you have 10 piety you can imagine how the situation could look like.
If you are an unorthodox kingdom it appears that other states of the same religion, but with a high piety dislike you (-10 diplomacy malus seems fair). If you are as fanatical as they are they like you. Unorthodox kingdoms don’t care at all how religious other kingdoms are.
- Diplomatic options:
1. Invite a state to take over your religion.
This works only for pagan targets. To invite it to your religion, you need an outstanding relation, own borderprovinces where the majority of the population is following your religion, a medium piety and also a missionary for reserve. If the pagan state accepts, it turns to your religion. After it converted, you are allied with it (If you weren’t already before). To help this state spreading the religion, you have to give it a missionary, as long as its capital is converted to atleast 50%. Historically, it appeared often that a pagan state took over a monotheistic religion, though mostly because of economic reasons. Examples are the Volga Bulghars, the other Steppe Khanates and some Ethiopian minor kingdoms.
2. Provide a state religious support.
You have a befriended state (With the same religion of course) which struggles with religious unrests, but is too slow to convert the provinces? No problem. You have now the opportunity to send him:
A) A missionary. One of your missionaries will move into the befriended state. You have to pay his upkeep while he is giving the other state a conversion bonus.
B) Gold. If you won’t or can’t send a missionary to your friend, you can also send him money which is exclusively used to strength his missionary power. You can choose on your own how much gold you want to send him. In comparison to the upkeep of the missionary, you have to pay here a bit more.
3. Support your religion.
You are now able to secretly send members of your religion in hostile states money to help them building churches/mosques/whatever. This will slow down the automatic decrease of members of your own religion. If you pay a LOT of money you even might increase the population.
- Peace options:
1. Force a state to take over your religion.
After you won a war, you can force the defeated nation to take over your religion. The problems: You need an ultra-high warscore (At best 100%), a much higher manpower (I am thinking about x5-x10 higher manpower), a missionary and also some gold to bribe the local nobility. After a few years, the official religion of the loser state changes and you don’t have to pay money anymore. After the capital got 50% of your religion, you regain your missionary. Historically the Crimean tartars forced the Circassians to take over Islam, and that quit brutally.
A cool name for this dlc could be "Cross and Crescent".
Feel free to post more ideas. What would you like to see in a religion dlc? Ah, and to the Paradox devs: You are invited to comment this thread as well, and this forum at all.
-Major changes:
- At first we need of course the “More religions in one province” feature which I suggested in this thread some days ago: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?814316-Rework-the-religion-and-culture-system
One religion per province is retarded and absolutely unrealistic. This needs to get changed definitely.
Also something which came recently in my mind: Even if a let’s say Sunni ruler hasn’t a missionary in a Coptic province the Sunni population should increase VERY slowly anyway. Local autonomy of a province should have an impact on this automatic conversion. If the autonomy is 50% the Sunni population will grow like 0,0005% per year, but if the autonomy is lower, conversion should be a bit faster. Also another feature has an impact on automatic conversion rate:
- The piety ranking: There is now some kind of piety ranking in the game, stretching from 0 (Ultra unorthodox) to 10 (Massmurdering religious fanatical). If you rule an unorthodox, tolerant to everybody’s religion kingdom you can be sure that your foreign religion population will love you and even might pay higher taxes. The other side of the medal is that the foreign religion population won’t convert to your own religion automatically. Even worse, the foreign religion population might increase (As long as the province has a higher autonomy then 0)! Also your missionaries have a much lower conversion rate.
Apro pos missionaries: If you use them excessively, you increase the piety of your kingdom (Other ways might be events). This makes them stronger, but the foreign language population won’t be that happy anymore.
If you have 10 piety you can imagine how the situation could look like.
If you are an unorthodox kingdom it appears that other states of the same religion, but with a high piety dislike you (-10 diplomacy malus seems fair). If you are as fanatical as they are they like you. Unorthodox kingdoms don’t care at all how religious other kingdoms are.
- Diplomatic options:
1. Invite a state to take over your religion.
This works only for pagan targets. To invite it to your religion, you need an outstanding relation, own borderprovinces where the majority of the population is following your religion, a medium piety and also a missionary for reserve. If the pagan state accepts, it turns to your religion. After it converted, you are allied with it (If you weren’t already before). To help this state spreading the religion, you have to give it a missionary, as long as its capital is converted to atleast 50%. Historically, it appeared often that a pagan state took over a monotheistic religion, though mostly because of economic reasons. Examples are the Volga Bulghars, the other Steppe Khanates and some Ethiopian minor kingdoms.
2. Provide a state religious support.
You have a befriended state (With the same religion of course) which struggles with religious unrests, but is too slow to convert the provinces? No problem. You have now the opportunity to send him:
A) A missionary. One of your missionaries will move into the befriended state. You have to pay his upkeep while he is giving the other state a conversion bonus.
B) Gold. If you won’t or can’t send a missionary to your friend, you can also send him money which is exclusively used to strength his missionary power. You can choose on your own how much gold you want to send him. In comparison to the upkeep of the missionary, you have to pay here a bit more.
3. Support your religion.
You are now able to secretly send members of your religion in hostile states money to help them building churches/mosques/whatever. This will slow down the automatic decrease of members of your own religion. If you pay a LOT of money you even might increase the population.
- Peace options:
1. Force a state to take over your religion.
After you won a war, you can force the defeated nation to take over your religion. The problems: You need an ultra-high warscore (At best 100%), a much higher manpower (I am thinking about x5-x10 higher manpower), a missionary and also some gold to bribe the local nobility. After a few years, the official religion of the loser state changes and you don’t have to pay money anymore. After the capital got 50% of your religion, you regain your missionary. Historically the Crimean tartars forced the Circassians to take over Islam, and that quit brutally.
A cool name for this dlc could be "Cross and Crescent".
Feel free to post more ideas. What would you like to see in a religion dlc? Ah, and to the Paradox devs: You are invited to comment this thread as well, and this forum at all.
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