I chose to become homosexual with my ruler durning childhood because i wanted to see if i get bodyguard or maid as a lover from the seduction focus, now i got my extra martial and plot defense and i would like my fertility back,
Reliable way to loose homosexual
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I want it mainly for the ability to make bastards, but yea, even thou the -15 fertility is not big, it makes it hard to make legit babies when me and my wife are alredy chaste
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This won't directly help you with the modifier, but currently, you can use the "Private Conversation" diplomatic action that some great work features give you to make someone your lover. You can do so even if you are not normally interested in their gender or are already married to them. I do think they have to be interested in your gender, but I am unsure. (I've used it as a homosexual man to make my wife my lover, but she isn't homosexual. I don't know if that would work if she were.)
That said, there are some... issues with the event it triggers. If the target has an intrigue of 10 or higher, an intrigue education, or one of deceitful, impaler, schemer, or lunatic there is a chance they might try to murder you (note the chance of taking this option isn't modified by their opinion of you, it has the same weight as just saying no.) The option to say yes is weighted based on traits/opinion as you would expect.
That said, there are some... issues with the event it triggers. If the target has an intrigue of 10 or higher, an intrigue education, or one of deceitful, impaler, schemer, or lunatic there is a chance they might try to murder you (note the chance of taking this option isn't modified by their opinion of you, it has the same weight as just saying no.) The option to say yes is weighted based on traits/opinion as you would expect.
Do you want to lose homosexual or do you - as your title implies - become a loose homosexual ingame?
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Just roll family focus or fertility to compensate, you'll still make plenty of babies regardless.
There is like one event that I recall that might get rid of it, I have no recollection on how to trigger it.
There is like one event that I recall that might get rid of it, I have no recollection on how to trigger it.
It would be easier to lose Chaste. In fact, I didn't even know that you could lose Homosexual in the game, but in my experience, if you're either Chaste or Lustful, if you don't die young, you'll get an event to lose the trait at least once in your lifetime.
Sounds like homosexual isn't a big deal for having children.
I happened to have my eldest and genius son turn homosexual. I wanted to salvage the line because he is doing the legendary journey and might create another bloodline. So I gave him genius wife and concubines and kept seducing them.
Alas, out of 12, 7 were caught. And the 5 that passed are all girls. And he didn't get any child of his own. I landed him hopping that will change. But he only killed all his spouses. What a loss for poor genius women.
I happened to have my eldest and genius son turn homosexual. I wanted to salvage the line because he is doing the legendary journey and might create another bloodline. So I gave him genius wife and concubines and kept seducing them.
Alas, out of 12, 7 were caught. And the 5 that passed are all girls. And he didn't get any child of his own. I landed him hopping that will change. But he only killed all his spouses. What a loss for poor genius women.
An homosexual character can lose chaste and gain lustful by seducing homosexual men. Here goes your fertility boost.
Ironically, the only way I know of to lose homosexuality as an adult is to join a demon worshipper society and be invited to an orgy. When in the society, you might also gain a lover (regardless of normal compatibility), and if you don't have the homosexual trait, you are very likely to gain it if you stay in the society for any length of time.
A guardian can also make their ward lose homosexuality as soon as they get it. A zealous christian guardian gives the highest probability. It's more likely if the guardian is christian and/or cruel.
An homosexual child with 4 traits may also spontaneously lose homosexuality if they are 13 or above and are not a child of destiny. The MTTH is 48 months with zealous, 480 months otherwise. Interestingly, children with an indian religion actually qualify for two separate (but otherwise identical) events that do it, which doubles the probability that the event fires. Likely an oversight.
Ironically, the only way I know of to lose homosexuality as an adult is to join a demon worshipper society and be invited to an orgy. When in the society, you might also gain a lover (regardless of normal compatibility), and if you don't have the homosexual trait, you are very likely to gain it if you stay in the society for any length of time.
A guardian can also make their ward lose homosexuality as soon as they get it. A zealous christian guardian gives the highest probability. It's more likely if the guardian is christian and/or cruel.
An homosexual child with 4 traits may also spontaneously lose homosexuality if they are 13 or above and are not a child of destiny. The MTTH is 48 months with zealous, 480 months otherwise. Interestingly, children with an indian religion actually qualify for two separate (but otherwise identical) events that do it, which doubles the probability that the event fires. Likely an oversight.
Might be worth checking if it's actually useful to you in regards to opinions. Especially if you're a sexy, sexy boy losing it might drop a bunch of gay ruler and vassal opinions.
I think Metanetwork is right - once a character is grown up the only scripted way to lose the trait is the satanic orgy, if the person who invites you is the opposite gender. The orgey event fires randomly, but you do get the option to refuse, so can avoid unwanted gender preference changes.
Family focus can also spawn falling in love with your wife, and is NOT stopped by Chaste or Homosexual (though it is helped by having any level of seducer, Kind, being Attractive and the spouse having a 40+ opinion of you). A lover-spouse is the highest base chance of conception, too.
...aaaand if you are really having trouble conceiving, make sure you have a court physician, as the fertility potion event might sort you out. Since your spouse is Chaste there's no chance of the "court physician seduces spouse" result. Just make sure they're at least Learning 12 to avoid the bad result.
(If you're hoping for the "too effective" result, the sweet spot is 12-13 to avoid the boring "your wife conceives!" result, but it's more important to try to get an insane, possessed court physician, and 16+ Learning increases the chance of the event firing in the first place and is generally better anyway. Satanism can also help out here - it can be tricky to find a possessed, insane character that wants to come to your court at times, but easier to find insane ones. Invite them in, use demonic possession and make them court physician! Leaving characters in prison for extended periods can produce the desired results as well).
I think Metanetwork is right - once a character is grown up the only scripted way to lose the trait is the satanic orgy, if the person who invites you is the opposite gender. The orgey event fires randomly, but you do get the option to refuse, so can avoid unwanted gender preference changes.
Family focus can also spawn falling in love with your wife, and is NOT stopped by Chaste or Homosexual (though it is helped by having any level of seducer, Kind, being Attractive and the spouse having a 40+ opinion of you). A lover-spouse is the highest base chance of conception, too.
...aaaand if you are really having trouble conceiving, make sure you have a court physician, as the fertility potion event might sort you out. Since your spouse is Chaste there's no chance of the "court physician seduces spouse" result. Just make sure they're at least Learning 12 to avoid the bad result.
(If you're hoping for the "too effective" result, the sweet spot is 12-13 to avoid the boring "your wife conceives!" result, but it's more important to try to get an insane, possessed court physician, and 16+ Learning increases the chance of the event firing in the first place and is generally better anyway. Satanism can also help out here - it can be tricky to find a possessed, insane character that wants to come to your court at times, but easier to find insane ones. Invite them in, use demonic possession and make them court physician! Leaving characters in prison for extended periods can produce the desired results as well).
Yea I'm not sure there is a legitimate way to do so.
I personally felt like this should be a lifestyle decision made in the intrigue menu, for role-playing reasons. Granted like everyone said, it dosent generally affect you too badly. For me being petty, it kind of frustrated me. Id have a great heir with amazing traits and skills and get that dumb trait haha. Or at least a rule where it's default a uncontrollable trait but can be set to a choice.
I personally felt like this should be a lifestyle decision made in the intrigue menu, for role-playing reasons. Granted like everyone said, it dosent generally affect you too badly. For me being petty, it kind of frustrated me. Id have a great heir with amazing traits and skills and get that dumb trait haha. Or at least a rule where it's default a uncontrollable trait but can be set to a choice.
Well, generally if you are actively playing a character when the event comes up you do have control over it. The Conclave childhood event that can result in Homosexual and Chaste/Lustful, for example. But as with everything else, you don't have much control over NPCs, even heirs. Though there are a few events to avoid... sending them off to the Varangians springs to mind.
The situation is thoroughly historical. Your classic medieval case of a ruler with a queer heir was Edward I. Was very little he was able to do about it outside of banishing his son's favorites (though that was much more about them gaining too much influence, and less about the suspected bedroom activities).
The thing is - you DON'T have control of your heir until succession. That's where the meat of the game lies, after all, however frustrating it may be at times.
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Right that makes sense. I guess that's what I mean. Once you take control of your heir who may of gained that trait while being educated, maybe be able to denounce that lifestyle.
But I've never had that event pop up with the choice, while playing as a young ruler so that's interesting to know!
I mean, it's really the same as a lot of other traits you'd rather not have, like Hunchback or Craven. Some can be worked on, others not. The good news is that all characters that aren't actually sterile or celibate can breed, no matter how queer they may be. Homosexual might reduce the number of grandkids, but it's better than Castrated (btw another reason to never allow the heir to join the Varangians)...
As a final note - each character has a hidden base fertility rating. A particular homosexual character may well have a higher net fertility than a straight character who otherwise has the same traits. And ANY Lustful Hedonist with Family Focus and Groom an Heir Ambition (all fairly easy to choose or acquire) has a +85% fertility bonus, well overcoming Homosexual's puny -15%, at which point you probably want to be checking the spouse if no kids are forthcoming...
If you go on the Seduction focus and seduce a bunch of guys you should rapidly lost Chaste and then get Lustful. It won't help you with seducing women, but it will significantly boost your Fertility for mating with your wife and concubines.
Did you have Court Tomcat? It's best to always get Court Tomcat before you start breeding secret bastards, even though there's only a 5% chance of getting it after each successful seduction, because it massively reduces the risk of cuckold bastardy being discovered.
Did you have Court Tomcat? It's best to always get Court Tomcat before you start breeding secret bastards, even though there's only a 5% chance of getting it after each successful seduction, because it massively reduces the risk of cuckold bastardy being discovered.
Yes I did. But somehow my son was really good at finding it out. In fact, everybody are good at finding it out. Rarely a guy need a wife and all 3 concubines before finding it out. Now that I think about it, this Ragnarr I am playing must have super high fertility rate. I can't check since its ironman. But I feel like I have above 80% pregnancy rate with just one seduction and making them permanent lovers.
But I like them to find it out. I get a steady supply of rivals to duel, and get to claim all the kids as mine.
There are mods which will display fertility without breaking iron man/achievement-eligibility.
Strange that that's your experience. I find that the vast majority of men don't discover what I'm up to, even when they know they've been cucked! But I mainly do it for bloodline breeding, so many of the specimens probably aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
There's a specific pregnancy check done when you succeed in seduction, then a regular one for any lover (though those always have a lower base chance of success).
Assuming you're targeting fertile women, it's not unusual for most of them to bear kids... just having Seduction focus selected gives you a bonus, and you rapidly gain other ones, like Lustful and Hedonist.
The chances of someone finding out are sensitive to Intrigue rating. If Ragnarr has a low rating it might explain why they keep finding out. Note that there are two checks - one after the initial tumble to expose the affair, and one when the woman falls pregnant to see if her husband is suspicious. This is likely if the affair was exposed, but otherwise husbands that are Paranoid are more likely to rumble you; Trusting ones less likely.
There is weird schizophrenia in the game with the way orientation is treated. Sometimes it's modern view, sometimes it's medieval.
Your character can catch it like a disease, or get it from demons. But you can't have your court physician cure it, nor can you remove it by joining monastic order.
Your character can catch it like a disease, or get it from demons. But you can't have your court physician cure it, nor can you remove it by joining monastic order.