"Release Vassal" Button. (Request)

[Augustulus91]

I know this has been requested many times on this forum, and i always hope that paradox will include it in the next patch.

Right now i need to shift between characters, revolt, shift back, surrender and lose prestige. While in my roleplaying-style of the game, it should be more as a prestigious act, granting somebody their independence.

I really hope that one of the developers reads this.

(If somebody knows how to mod this feature, i would be very grateful.)

 

[yezhanquan]

I know this has been requested many times on this forum, and i always hope that paradox will include it in the next patch.

Right now i need to shift between characters, revolt, shift back, surrender and lose prestige. While in my roleplaying-style of the game, it should be more as a prestigious act, granting somebody their independence.

I really hope that one of the developers reads this.


(If somebody knows how to mod this feature, i would be very grateful.)

I would think that granting independence to vassals will result in a decrease in prestige. This is the era where women are treated as property in much of Europe. As a liege, the thinking is that you hold on to every vassal, even if it hurts you economically and wears your military down.

 

[Carmichael]

This is the era where women are treated as property in much of Europe.

Tell that to Eleanor of Aquitaine...

 

[riknap]

isn't the point of a feudal contract wherein you, the liege, protects the vassal? A "release vassal" basically is a "void contract" option, and should decrease prestige and relations a lot.

in any case, there's a grant independence decision (which comes at a -100 or so relations with the vassal in question) for CK2+

 

[NewbieOne]

I suppose it would be a very bad thing for a liege, especially a de iure liege, to release a vassal uninvited, especially against that vassal's will. But there could be some way to release people who want to be released (with prestige/opinion penalties).

I sometimes miss "transfer vassal" for my independent equals. Releasing a de facto vassal into his de iure liege's vassalage would be a whole different cup of tea.

 

[Martinus]

Of course you realize that the equivalent of "release the vassal" from EU3 is to grant your personal demesne title to a vassal of yours in CK2, right?

 

[Mods]

you mean you want a 'grant Independence' button, otherwise you're suggesting turning vassals into vassals?

 

[NewbieOne]

Of course you realize that the equivalent of "release the vassal" from EU3 is to grant your personal demesne title to a vassal of yours in CK2, right?

I was not following EU3's nomenclature. EU3 uses the word "release" in a strange way. The standard is to speak about releasing someone from vassalage, as vassalage is a bond that binds the liegeman to his liege. EU3's "release vassal" is more like "release into vassalage", i.e. release an autonomous state from being part of your unitarian realm before.

BTW, EU3 has a button to cancel vassalage.

 

[tuareg109]

Well, the Dukes of Aquitaine were pretty much independent of the French crown until Philip Augustus's reign in the 1200s.
They were even famous for causing trouble and fomenting rebellion in Charlemagne's day, and then Eleanor married into England and caused a whole mess.
I agree there should be some understanding when you release a vassal that's across the map from your realm, especially for RP purposes, it makes complete sense. You're emperor of Spain and king of Sicily, and then you hold the Kingdom of Finland; come on, you should be able to give it to somebody and make him independent.
What you can do, is use cheats, that won't boost your position in any way, just give that part of your realm independence.
Remove all quotations below:
Open the console, and type "charinfo 1". This will give you character IDs if you over your mouse over the portrait of a character.
Find the person you want to give titles to, and type "give_title [b,c,d,k_name] [characterID]". The b means barony, so to give somebody a city or bishopric or barony, you'd type "give_title b_[barony name] [charID]"; to give a county "give_title c_[county name] [charID]" and so on.
I'm in the camp of "cheat if you want, man", but for RP purposes I'll sometimes (rarely) grant faraway titles to people, get the bonus, cheat the titles back to me, then cheat it to them. This way, they still have the opinion bonus (makes sense), but they are independent.

 

[yezhanquan]

Tell that to Eleanor of Aquitaine...

She is in a minority, and judging from what I see at the 1187 bookmark, Henry II saw it coming, but still choose to hog the titles. When your two sons join their mother against you, you know you messed up big time.

 

[Swxpert]

Of course you realize that the equivalent of "release the vassal" from EU3 is to grant your personal demesne title to a vassal of yours in CK2, right?

So let me get this straight and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, If I am king and I suddenly decide to go mad and hate a duke so much that I want him out of my realm and independent the only way to make him independent is to give him my kingdom?

 

[Zireael]

I believe there should be a "grant independence" button. The effects (other than independence, doh) are subject to further discussion, though.

 

[yezhanquan]

So let me get this straight and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, If I am king and I suddenly decide to go mad and hate a duke so much that I want him out of my realm and independent the only way to make him independent is to give him my kingdom?

I can only help with the "out of realm" part: Banishment.

 

[tnick0225]

Kind of in the same instance I wish I could demand my de jure vassals to become my vassals from the Kaiser. Sadly I cannot which I think is a bit weird. Unless of course I'm missing some plot or something.

 

[Gunnarr]

I am pretty sure a dev said, maybe during one of the livestreams, that they were going to try to implement a way to release a vassal, despite it being perhaps not completely historic.

 

[nyah]

I believe there should be a "grant independence" button.

There is already. The vassal only has to ask for it first.

 

[Gunnarr]

There is already. The vassal only has to ask for it first.

but sometimes they ask along with half of your empire which you still want to stay with you!

 

[nyah]

but sometimes they ask along with half of your empire which you still want to stay with you!

true, but you have to take the bad with the good.

If there's somebody who's a real problem then just get rid of them and keep the land.

 

[Gunnarr]

true, but you have to take the bad with the good.

If there's somebody who's a real problem then just get rid of them and keep the land.

well usually for me i would like to grant independence (or just give a vassal to another ruler outside of my realm) when i inherit a faraway useless place. Such as when I was playing as the Byzantines, I inherited a county in England. I don't want it, so I feel I should be able to just give it to the king of england, or let it be independent. I just do not want to bother with the land

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

well usually for me i would like to grant independence (or just give a vassal to another ruler outside of my realm) when i inherit a faraway useless place. Such as when I was playing as the Byzantines, I inherited a county in England. I don't want it, so I feel I should be able to just give it to the king of england, or let it be independent. I just do not want to bother with the land

I have something similar in that for some reason a member of my family inherited the county of Rostov, which is surrounded by the Kingdom of Rus. I don't particularly care one way or the other as I just ignore it's existence seeing as I'm a Karling Emperor of Franchispania and my axis of expansion is more towards England/Lotharingia/North Africa.