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In HoI2 WW2 starts when Germany chooses "Final Ultimatum" in "Danzig or War". This always happens on sep 1 at 0:00 in the morning. Obviously, in RL the war must have started at the same time. And just as obviously HoI3 will start at the same time. Problem solved!

 

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Of course you can argue with 99,9% of historicians.

I would like to remind you that French and British were not involved into the war until Germans came to France to kick their lazy coward butts. So maybe we can agree that the war started when Japan Empire DOW USA? That's the moment when all continents were involved and we can call this war Worldwide.

Another thing is that the Russia was not in war with Japan.

not strictly true, the french did mount an invasion of alsace in sept 1939. and also, canada was involved in the war from 1939, so the american continent was involved in war long before the US entered, so asia went to war in 1937, europe, africa and american in 1939.

 

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not strictly true, the french did mount an invasion of alsace in sept 1939. and also, canada was involved in the war from 1939, so the american continent was involved in war long before the US entered, so asia went to war in 1937, europe, africa and american in 1939.

IIRC French conuqered less in Germany 1939 than Poland in Zaolzie.
What about South America? (and I'm not talking about colonies).
Also China-Japan war was not a part of World War, it was a struggle only between two countries.
Take a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war

 

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not strictly true, the french did mount an invasion of alsace in sept 1939. and also, canada was involved in the war from 1939, so the american continent was involved in war long before the US entered, so asia went to war in 1937, europe, africa and american in 1939.

And Austrailia too! The entire Commonwealth backed Britian; as it should be, right from the beginning.

Canada had already sent troops to Britain before the end of '39, and the 1st squadron of the RCAF followed soon after.

 

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I would like to remind you that French and British were not involved into the war until Germans came to France to kick their lazy coward butts.

I don't agree with that outright, but I have to ask just how you think the American situation was different from that?

 

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I don't agree with that outright, but I have to ask just how you think the American situation was different from that?

IIRC French and British promised to attack Germany and aid Poland in two weeks after DOW. They did not.
Americans didn't promissed anything.

 

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I would like to remind you that French and British were not involved into the war until Germans came to France to kick their lazy coward butts. So maybe we can agree that the war started when Japan Empire DOW USA? That's the moment when all continents were involved and we can call this war Worldwide.

I would like to remain you that French and British were involded into the War from the September 3 1939...
C'était une remarque tellement conne que je me demande pourquoi j'y réponds...

IIRC French and British promised to attack Germany and aid Poland in two weeks after DOW. They did not.
Americans didn't promissed anything.

The war between Germany and USA it's a December 11 1941...8th Air Force didin't start tis campaign the 12 december, but there was the state of war between USA and Germany...

 

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IIRC French and British promised to attack Germany and aid Poland in two weeks after DOW. They did not.
Americans didn't promissed anything.

I'm not denying that things may have been different had France attacked Germany across the Maginot Line, but they didn't because they weren't ready. Also, Britain wasn't in a position to invade Germany even if they wanted to; however, they started attacking German shipping and industry from the air within the first week of September '39 so they were fulfilling what of their promise they could.
Of course the Americans didn't promise anything - why would they? The point is, its not exactly fair to call France and Britain "lazy cowards" because they didn't assult Germany immediately. They (and most of the world I would state) believed they had more time to prepare. Germany overran Poland in 20 days or so didn't they? If they really knew that was possible (which I don't believe they did) then shame on them for not being more prepared, but I think since England wasn't mobilized, and France was busy trying not to fall apart politically, they did what they could manage. Obviously it wasn't near enough, and they let the Polish down. Are they "lazy cowards" for that? No way.

 

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I'm not denying that things may have been different had France attacked Germany across the Maginot Line, but they didn't because they weren't ready. Also, Britain wasn't in a position to invade Germany even if they wanted to; however, they started attacking German shipping and industry from the air within the first week of September '39 so they were fulfilling what of their promise they could.
Of course the Americans didn't promise anything - why would they? The point is, its not exactly fair to call France and Britain "lazy cowards" because they didn't assult Germany immediately. They (and most of the world I would state) believed they had more time to prepare. Germany overran Poland in 20 days or so didn't they? If they really knew that was possible (which I don't believe they did) then shame on them for not being more prepared, but I think since England wasn't mobilized, and France was busy trying not to fall apart politically, they did what they could manage. Obviously it wasn't near enough, and they let the Polish down. Are they "lazy cowards" for that? No way.

I'm not talking about some soldiers digged in ML. I'm talking about military forces.
Facts are easy to see:
French didn't aid Poland by making offensive in Germany two weeks after war started.
RAF bombed three German naval bases during this time.
Royal Navy blocked Germany and lost one of their carriers.
Poland was conquered by both Germany and Soviet Union in four weeks.
France, Holland and Belgium were beaten Germany (and a little bit by Italy) in five weeks.
Poland never surrender, france signed humiliating surrender.
Taking all above under consideration I can say the French Army (with BEF) was lazy and coward.

 

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Taking all above under consideration I can say the French Army (with BEF) was lazy and coward.

I guess a lot can be said of the real world from the arm chair...

 

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I guess a lot can be said of the real world from the arm chair...

Lot can be said when you see that some people don't learn from history.

 

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I'm not talking about some soldiers digged in ML. I'm talking about military forces.
Facts are easy to see:
French didn't aid Poland by making offensive in Germany two weeks after war started.
RAF bombed three German naval bases during this time.
Royal Navy blocked Germany and lost one of their carriers.
Poland was conquered by both Germany and Soviet Union in four weeks.
France, Holland and Belgium were beaten Germany (and a little bit by Italy) in five weeks.
Poland never surrender, france signed humiliating surrender.
Taking all above under consideration I can say the French Army (with BEF) was lazy and coward.

Coward ?????
Bombing land units with old bombers, it's to be coward ????

Coming and telling that French and British soldiers were cowards and lazy because their military and politics leaders did errors, it's to be coward and stupid (and i use stupid because i'm not able to translate the word con)...

And it's not the place for talking about that...

 

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