Release date for EUIV is 13th August according to GG plus preoder
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Me sad
Well that would have been a really SUPER SECRET project to suddenly come out on september
The game needs the players that buy it at full price. And who will pay that? Those who cannot wait (and have the € needed) = "loyal supporters".
Sales are for those that
a) cannot wait but don't have the money = "fans, but not loyal supporters"
b) have the money but can wait (Yeah, PDS games are good, but Firaxis is better)
c) random venturers (buy to see if I like it)
Being respected is subjective. At least until Johan comes out and says "thanks for the bucks, losers, I'm of to Caribbean" I don't feel any lack of respect from PDS if I buy their games as my preferences dictate. You call us/them "suckers", but they are the ones that really make it possible to make these games. And make them better. The day the "suckers" stop buying the DLC's is the day they aren't made anymore.
I'm sorry Captain Gars, but I just don't buy that. I'm not suggesting that events are always easy to create or balance, but let's not pretend that they're hard to integrate into the game. Anyone with notepad and a little modding knowledge can implement new events and likely without any hiccups. This is why it's baffling that these are being pushed into a DLC and simultaneously we're being told that there's significant "testing" and "development" involved. Unless the complexity or quantity of these events is notably high, this just sounds like a shallow answer meant to justify the DLC.
A lot of comments about DLC, don't really understand all the uproar, you as the consumer have a choice, you don't have to buy them. The game looks amazing and be happy that Paradox is giving you the opportunity to play a well polished, deep, immense game that has the potential for hundreds of hours of gameplay. How many titles launched this year can say that?
The DLC's are reasonably priced and not game critical so you can play without them if you like.
Can't wait for Aug the 13th
The DLC's are reasonably priced and not game critical so you can play without them if you like.
Can't wait for Aug the 13th
Well, you modded D&T so I assume you know this, but once testing begins it's difficult to add more in because you're already at the point of polishing thje game and even just adding untested events can complicate this. I don't know about you, but my events normally have unexpected consequences the first time I try to trigger them so I'm not surprised that Paradox don't want to have to worry about having a bunch of new problems show up in testing where they have to work out if it was the new events or something else that caused them.
And hey, if Paradox do more work, why shouldn't they want more money?
Actually, I don't pay much attention to what Paradox is making at the moment. I knew about EU4 from the newsletter and The Old Gods because I visit CK2 forum here, but the Heart of Darkness was quite a surprise for me, so I assumed that I missed something about Rome 2...Well that would have been a really SUPER SECRET project to suddenly come out on september
But I think... Rome had characters... just like CK2. So, they should just make a DLC for CK2 that adds Senate and pushes the start date to 400 BC.
Billions of people live on less than 2 dollars/day you know. Africa is the fastest growing mobile internet market. I think you should know that for example I pay 1 euro for a pint of quality beer in a pub, not in supermarket. the exact same product is sold for 5 euro 25 miles away from where I live. A decent apartment with 3 rooms costs around 250 euro to hire for a month and 100MBps unlimited internet costs here around 25 euro per month. the average salary is 1k euro monthly.
In places like Romania, Bulgaria or Estonia they have fast and cheap internet - in Romania you can get 100MBps unlimited connection for 8 euro.
and now - the whole CK2 has recently hit the price tag of 100 euro on release, it has been released over the course of more than 1 year already, piece by piece.
One piece makes Mongols look Asian, another makes Africans black - total 4 euro or something on release. That is half of monthly fee for 100MBps unlimited connection in Romania just for Africans look African and Asians look Asian. Ridiculous. And if you buy it on Steam you are not even allowed to exercise defining ownership rights with that face pack. While other companies offer whole games with free additional content for 50 euro on release and most importantly that 50 euro package includes 90%+ of the content of the final product.
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Well, Johan did say he is off to vacation a week(s) after EU4 releases so there is that
Joking aside, I'm not calling anyone names here, I did use quotation signs, just saying that people who do pay for it full (probably myself also) might be considered "suckers" by the ones selling it that way (not developers). And all that talk about development process is irrelevant, DLCs are ready on release day, that's it, they are tested, bug free and ready to ship, might as well be in the game. If the development cost is the problem price up the game. But if you get whole EU4 game with every single thing in it for 40€, you think some events, pictures and sprites are worth 5€? Keep in mind size and cost of the game itself (that's more then 10% of game's value). If Paradox needs charity to stay afloat I will be happy to help but call it what it is (money grab) and get of the high horse.
He didn't mention integrating them...He did mention the time it takes to make them. If you can research, design, script, and test enough events to make up a small DLC in "a matter of minutes" and have them work perfectly with no errors then you should apply to work here, because you'd be far better than any of us at this.
I think this whole argument that the day one DLCs should be included in the game is really looking at the whole issue a bit skewed. The base game is being offered at $40. The game, including these day one DLCs is $45. Time and effort was put into those DLCs and i think everyone can agree that Paradox should be compensated for that. what I think it really boils down to is that the game could have been released with these DLCs included in the game BUT then the game would have cost $45. What paradox is doing is allowing you, as a consumer, to decide whether you feel that the added content is worth the extra $5. If you don't think its worth the $5, Paradox is giving you the option to buy the games without these DLCs included and for $5 less than you would pay if they were forced on you by including them in the base game like people are saying they should be. People seem to be complaining that the extra content should have been included without also considering the fact that the game would have then cost more money to buy
I hate to say this, but if you don't like it - don't buy it. Faces are not necessary to play the game. Music is not necessary to play the game. Both require significant time and money to produce and get right which is why Paradox didn't bother to do them for the initial release.
The great thing is, you benefit from the DLCs without even buying them because the revenue from them helps fund work on the core game and keeps the graphics/music producers employed in the computer games industry so they don't have to go elsewhere to earn their keep. Sounds great to me.
I think i'll wait for the steam pre-order. Regarding the day one DLC's I have no problem with it, as some people have said (the more enlightened ones it seems) game design is a lot more complex than it looks and day one DLC's are done with different deadlines in place (even though the final deadline is the same) and regarding the event DLC and people thinking it's content that should be rolled into the game. I think that is all dependant upon your definition of 'Events' the complexity, and quantity of the events/event chains, may be incredibly high but on the flipside it might also be a small amount of bonus events that don't change much like the inevitable comet event has different options or something, and the pictures different. So it might just be a event reskin for the Muslim nations which I have no problem with. Without knowing the exact specifications of the DLC rampant speculation on whether they are worth the 5$ and so forth is a waste of everybodies time.
Johan/Dev/Anybody when will the steam pre-order be up by the way?
Johan/Dev/Anybody when will the steam pre-order be up by the way?
+1 Thank god someone else here isn't screaming at paradox to charge them more money and then beg paradox to have their way with them. I haven't bothered to buy CK2 yet as the price is ridiculous $95AUD and the game is already a year old, not even COD charges that much after such a long release. I picked up EU3 + all expansions and HoI3 + Expansions for the same price or less.
Free DLC's are there to encourage to pre-order and a reward for those ("suckers") that pay the full price. Pricing up the game would raise shouts of overpricing and hurt sales of the base game.
Higher price in terms of content are at least to some extent due to choice given. Revenue = Price * sales. If, for example, 50% of EU4 owners buy DLC X then the price of DLC X should be twice as much than what it would cost as part of the base game to make the same revenue. Right?
It goes 75% off fairly regularly, a big TOG release sale just ended. I think the whole collection, minus TOG, was $14 on amazon recently...
blank space or Sylvester Stallone picture everywhere could be a good idea for another character-driven game. THAT should boost sales of following face packs!
Actually, I don't pay much attention to what Paradox is making at the moment. I knew about EU4 from the newsletter and The Old Gods because I visit CK2 forum here, but the Heart of Darkness was quite a surprise for me, so I assumed that I missed something about Rome 2...
But I think... Rome had characters... just like CK2. So, they should just make a DLC for CK2 that adds Senate and pushes the start date to 400 BC.
I lurk around the forums probably too much, because I certainly did assume that everybody knows what PDS has in the works and announced.
that's kinda like cake only more fun.Because you just want me to say:
"Now these points of data make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time."
I look forward to the moment, however I cannot promise cake, only global domination
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