Relatives With Titles Not Becoming Vassals

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Hi Guys,

I had a question about cousins and such becoming or not becoming vassals of my ruler. I searched the forum but couldn't find anything on-point. Here's my scenario:

I started as the Malcolm III, King of Scots. The game starts of with my wife dead, but two strapping young sons. After a tumultuous period of civil war and unification of the Kingdom, Malcolm is doing great. However, he seems a little lonely and I want to try and expand my domain by marriage (I already won one bruiser of a war with Norway over pissant little Caithness, and want to try and marry my way into Ireland). As luck would have it, the Duchess of Iceland is young, unmarried, and, if her fertility rating is any indication, jonesing for some action between the sheets (Malcolm is one easy dude as well, so they'll be perfect for each other). Marriage proposed and accepted, kids start poping out almost immediately.

The first son of that marriage, Christopher, is heir to the Duchy of Iceland, and in a stroke of good luck, gets (normaly) married to the Duchess of Brittany. My expectations are that Iceland will come under "my" control once Malcolm's lovely wife dies (since Christopher is the heir), and Brittany will come under control once the Duchess of Brittany dies (since her kids are in my dynasty).

Well, Malcolm III eventually dies, but he's so old when he passes that his son only rules for 15 years before croaking himself. Both Malcolm's wife and the Duchess of Britanny outlive him, but I think nothing of it. I'm now playing as Duncan III. Christopher, his great uncle, is the Duke of Iceland, but his liege is the King of Norway. Duncan's other great uncles (and Christopher's brothers) held Scottish titles and are/were Duncan's vassals. The Duchess of Brittany is still very much alive (and as a side note, is a homicidal maniac, who has murdered at least one of her children).

Scotland has Agnatic-Primogeniture succession. No idea what Brittany or Norway has.

So, with that as a set-up, I have a few questions:

1) Why didn't Christopher become a vassal of Duncan? (I assume it's because Chris only had foreign titles)
2) If Christopher also had a Scottish title (Earl of Haggis or what-have-you), in addition to Duke of Iceland, would he be a Scottish vassal?
3) The heir to Brittany has only female daughters, Duncan's heir marries the eldest daughter, will their children become his vassals when he becomes King of Scotland?
4) How screwed up are the kids' of second-cousins once-removed likely to be?

Thanks much.

 

[A_Dane]

family members only become your vassals if you actively press their claims, if they gain titles through any other means, they'll become vassals of whoever was the liege of it before.

 

[tuareg109]

Hi Guys,

I had a question about cousins and such becoming or not becoming vassals of my ruler. I searched the forum but couldn't find anything on-point. Here's my scenario:

I started as the Malcolm III, King of Scots. The game starts of with my wife dead, but two strapping young sons. After a tumultuous period of civil war and unification of the Kingdom, Malcolm is doing great. However, he seems a little lonely and I want to try and expand my domain by marriage (I already won one bruiser of a war with Norway over pissant little Caithness, and want to try and marry my way into Ireland). As luck would have it, the Duchess of Iceland is young, unmarried, and, if her fertility rating is any indication, jonesing for some action between the sheets (Malcolm is one easy dude as well, so they'll be perfect for each other). Marriage proposed and accepted, kids start poping out almost immediately.

The first son of that marriage, Christopher, is heir to the Duchy of Iceland, and in a stroke of good luck, gets (normaly) married to the Duchess of Brittany. My expectations are that Iceland will come under "my" control once Malcolm's lovely wife dies (since Christopher is the heir), and Brittany will come under control once the Duchess of Brittany dies (since her kids are in my dynasty).

Well, Malcolm III eventually dies, but he's so old when he passes that his son only rules for 15 years before croaking himself. Both Malcolm's wife and the Duchess of Britanny outlive him, but I think nothing of it. I'm now playing as Duncan III. Christopher, his great uncle, is the Duke of Iceland, but his liege is the King of Norway. Duncan's other great uncles (and Christopher's brothers) held Scottish titles and are/were Duncan's vassals. The Duchess of Brittany is still very much alive (and as a side note, is a homicidal maniac, who has murdered at least one of her children).

Scotland has Agnatic-Primogeniture succession. No idea what Brittany or Norway has.

So, with that as a set-up, I have a few questions:

1) Why didn't Christopher become a vassal of Duncan? (I assume it's because Chris only had foreign titles)
2) If Christopher also had a Scottish title (Earl of Haggis or what-have-you), in addition to Duke of Iceland, would he be a Scottish vassal?
3) The heir to Brittany has only female daughters, Duncan's heir marries the eldest daughter, will their children become his vassals when he becomes King of Scotland?
4) How screwed up are the kids' of second-cousins once-removed likely to be?

Thanks much.

People of your dynasty only become your vassals if you press their claim, or if you land them (and then of course they're your vassals), or if they're independent and accept an offer of vassalization.
There's no reason why your son would be your vassal.
You'll get Iceland once your son inherits Scotland, though.