Regent and Guardian

[September]

It would be nice if you could assign who was most likely to become regent in case something would happen. Maybe it could work as an honorary title. And then, when regency started, as long as your regent is either your own parent or of your dynasty, you get to play normally but you need to work to keep the regent position away from your council and your more powerful vassals.

 

[Faulty]

It would be nice if you could assign who was most likely to become regent in case something would happen. Maybe it could work as an honorary title. And then, when regency started, as long as your regent is either your own parent or of your dynasty, you get to play normally but you need to work to keep the regent position away from your council and your more powerful vassals.

That sounds good

 

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There should only be wars if there are reasons for wars, like low opinions (which regencies already have!)

Crown authority represents the institutions and bureaucracies that are established over time, not the literal charisma of the king. That's why you can only raise it once per lifetime. It shouldn't evaporate over night.

Despite the low opinions, it's still far to easy to weather a regency with minimal disruption. That shouldn't be the case. It also doesn't really make any sense for the dukes to hate a king for being underage, they should be unhappy with the regent, if they don't like them they should replace them rather than the king. Wars that develop should be more focused on getting a popular regent installed or a mature lord with a claim rather than dukes at the heart of your country breaking away. It wasn't as if, when the King of France was underage, that all the dukes tried to go it alone, after all.

They are vulnerable to all of those things already, they have bad opinions with their vassals. I also don't think it makes sense to let the player control their regent, it goes against the spirit of playing as characters rather than as a nation (besides which, the regent shouldn't share the motivations of the ruler)

As I've said, low opinions should lead characters to want to either replace the regent or install a king who is of age.

It would be nice if you could assign who was most likely to become regent in case something would happen. Maybe it could work as an honorary title. And then, when regency started, as long as your regent is either your own parent or of your dynasty, you get to play normally but you need to work to keep the regent position away from your council and your more powerful vassals.

No, this isn't the council, where the best man get's the job. Regents should be based on power first, then stats. That way you can have a idiot duke that holds half the country fighting off the rest to hold his position as regent, rather than some unknown landless nobody being in charge of a huge kingdom. Might makes right, after all.

 

[Torngasuk]

Crown authority represents the institutions and bureaucracies that are established over time, not the literal charisma of the king. That's why you can only raise it once per lifetime. It shouldn't evaporate over night.

Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor. It has been known to happen.

 

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Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor. It has been known to happen.

And it's generaly hard to enforce the King's will when he's two and wants more toys to play with.

 

[Me_]

Not 100% on topic but the husband of a Queen and Queen mother of a child King/Queen should also get some events where they might influence the events in the realm.

 

[Faulty]

And it's generaly hard to enforce the King's will when he's two and wants more toys to play with.

That's a very interesting way to put it since, on the surface, it should be very easy to enforce the king's will in that situation, just give him more toys. Obviously you meant that "the king's will" in this context actually means lasting changes to the authority of the crown rather than the literal charisma of the king! Crown authority represents institutions built up over time, like effective courts of law implementing the letter of the law rather than what corrupt local officials want, professional bodies adhering to standards, chartered organisations like corporations mandated by the crown to oversee its interests, and other public bodies.

 

[Torngasuk]

I think you might be getting a bit ahead of the game, there, chronologically. Maximum crown authority isn't some sort of semi-modern bureaucratic system with courts of law to arbitrate disputes and prevent conflict. "The Lords of the Realm are chafing under the unrestricted powers of the absolute monarch." It simply shifts the concentration of power entirely to the king's person, and his word is law.

 

[SirDraco]

Despite the low opinions, it's still far to easy to weather a regency with minimal disruption. That shouldn't be the case. It also doesn't really make any sense for the dukes to hate a king for being underage, they should be unhappy with the regent, if they don't like them they should replace them rather than the king. Wars that develop should be more focused on getting a popular regent installed or a mature lord with a claim rather than dukes at the heart of your country breaking away. It wasn't as if, when the King of France was underage, that all the dukes tried to go it alone, after all.

I agree that nobles shouldn't hate the king for being underage, after all he is king by right. There should be more wars over the control of a under age king than wars for independence.

No, this isn't the council, where the best man get's the job. Regents should be based on power first, then stats. That way you can have a idiot duke that holds half the country fighting off the rest to hold his position as regent, rather than some unknown landless nobody being in charge of a huge kingdom. Might makes right, after all.

100% agree with this

 

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That's a very interesting way to put it since, on the surface, it should be very easy to enforce the king's will in that situation, just give him more toys. Obviously you meant that "the king's will" in this context actually means lasting changes to the authority of the crown rather than the literal charisma of the king! Crown authority represents institutions built up over time, like effective courts of law implementing the letter of the law rather than what corrupt local officials want, professional bodies adhering to standards, chartered organisations like corporations mandated by the crown to oversee its interests, and other public bodies.

Even assuming those instituions you list exist under CK2's idea of "crown authority", I always took CA to be the power the king has within the realm (ie, with autonomous vassals, the king doesn't have much power, while with high he has a great deal) but regardless, it is extremely hard to see how such as system as your could endure while the king is too young to play a part. In that case, it's the regents interests, not the kings.

 

[Torngasuk]

In this case, I think some of the confusion here might arise from the mention of "bureaucracy led by the lesser nobility" under high crown authority.

I don't think it's a reference to the Magna Carta or the House of Commons or any sort of constitutional monarchy, but rather to the oprichnina policies of Ivan the Terrible, for which the description is nearly a perfect match (as is its placement just below absolute monarchy).

 

[sorrowofwind]

Last game my count was the guardian/regent of the young liege brat and his opinion of my character was 100. My leader couldn't lead in battles because of this.

Once the kid turned adult he threw my character into jail without allowing him to be ransomed, then my land title was taken away. Should there be some kind of resisting opinion so at least I could struggle before being thrown into jail? Cannot ransom, cannot war, nor cannot I revolt against the liege once thrown into prison I think (not sure iirc). :sad:

 

[Tapscott]

The role of the regents definitly needs to be fleshed out, in my opinion. Some of the ideas in this thread are pretty damn good, like the idea of having the regent seeking to promote his family to power in the king's counci!

 

[Torngasuk]

Another thing regents could potentially do: arrange (or cancel) a betrothal for their ward and ruler. Imagine what the dukes would think if the regent betrothed the king to one of his own daughters?

 

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Another thing regents could potentially do: arrange (or cancel) a betrothal for their ward and ruler. Imagine what the dukes would think if the regent betrothed the king to one of his own daughters?

Absolutely. They way I imagined regents to work was a constant battle of the regent to gain more power and the dukes to prevent that powergain and take it for themselves. I'm not saying that regencies should be an all out civil war, but there should be a great deal of inter-ducal fighting for control of the king.

 

[anonymouswolfm]

The player in a regency does not really have to sit by the sidelines. They could play the regent who basically acts as the ruler until the next player king character comes of age.

That is very difficult if not impossible to implement, even on a conceptual level. When playing as the regent, are you representing the regent or the child ruler? Whose interest would you take care of? What if they have divergent interests? Would it not be schizophrenic for you to try to fabricate claims on the kingdom as regent but then suddenly after the ruler comes of age you try to seek revenge on the regent for his unscrupulous actions in stealing your titles?

 

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idk if it has been said, but being regent and guardian sucks as much as being in the council... such positions should open new diplomatic options to their holders... courtiers and vassals should compete to get such positions... and it should be possible to turn around official prerogatives to satisfy private interests... for exemple, if I'm the chancellor, I'd love to make my liege press my claims over a neighbor...

CK2 would be a lot more intersting this way!

 

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Any plans for regents in 1.09?