Regarding the Slothful trait -- one misconception I want to clear up.

[RelVleDy]

I read from someone a long time ago that Slothful courtiers are less likely to fabricate claims, or really do much of anything, in comparison to characters without Slothful. It's true Slothful gives stat penalties, which technically would hurt them, but I was lead to believe Slothful has a hidden built-in modifier, causing courtiers to simply not work as hard at their jobs. Not just in regards to fabricating claims, but managing cities, converting religious provinces, etc. Is there any truth to this?

If I have an awesome stat courtier who is Slothful, would you take him over a slightly weaker stat character who doesn't have Slothful?

 

[Rationalsanity]

Not sure about that, however I do know that Slothful characters are much less likely to become Stressed and (maybe?) Depressed. You'd have to go into the claim fabrication event file in the text and find out if Slothful impacts the weight.

 

[Bernard95]

I can recall back when I first started playing in the SoA era that they used to say you never use a greedy (more likely to br bribed) or content (lower or no chance to fabricate) chancellor. Don't recall slothful ever being mentioned though, but like the poster above mentioned you'd have to dig through the game files to be sure.

 

[RelVleDy]

I can recall back when I first started playing in the SoA era that they used to say you never use a greedy (more likely to br bribed) or content (lower or no chance to fabricate) chancellor. Don't recall slothful ever being mentioned though, but like the poster above mentioned you'd have to dig through the game files to be sure.

Oh okay, I didn't think of Content being a possibility of lack of fabricating.

Well I'm looking through the Wiki and it says Slothful gives: -10 Ambition, +10 Greed, and -10 Zeal, but I'm not sure if any of that is necessarily tied into fabrication chances. The Content trait gives -40 Ambition and -10 Zeal, so I imagine if anything affects claim fabrications, it would be ambition.

 

[Dragatus]

I checked the files and there is no mention of Slothful influencing how well councilors perform their jobs. Some are influenced by traits a little, but for chancellor's specifically it's all based purely on their Diplomacy skill.

There is a flavor event though for slothful chancellors, which allows the liege to choose between giving the chancellor a stern talk (which has a chance to remove Slothful or give the chancellor Wroth), ignoring the issue (which has a chance of giving the liege Slothful as well), and throwing the chancellor into jail (which doesn't have any further effects).

Note that the flavor event makes it sound as if claim fabrication failed because of Slothful, but that's not actually the case. It's a separate event that randomly fires for chancellors with the Slothful trait.