Refugees

[Hapchazzard]

I think it would be a nice detail if, during a particularly bloody conflict or terrible living conditions/starvation, some pops would just pack their stuff and flee to other empires - without migration treaties in place.

The other empire doesn't need to have a migration treaty with the source of migrants - instead, it gets the option of either accepting them, allowing them to settle the empire's planet for some time, or refusing them, having them leave and search safety elsewhere.

Accepting them would have mixed effects - on one hand, you'd have a bunch of new, grateful pops you can do more work with. On the other hand, you'd have to provide more food, there may be tensions between the native population and the newcomers for some time, and the new race might start making problems in the long run.

This feature would also enhance late game crises even more. While the Unbidden are wreaking havoc and destroying everything in their path on one side of the galaxy, those empires out of reach are also experiencing effects in the form of an exodus of millions, or even billions of refugees fleeing the affected areas.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Surimi]

Sounds like an awesome idea to me. The only foreseeable issue, from my perspective, is how it would interact with the existing migration mechanics.

 

[Dragor23]

This is an excellent idea. I would aslo like refugees migrating internally as the threat of war looms over their planets and they rather not get caught into the conflict.

 

[Oscot]

I agree with this, if only so I can play out my fantasies of being Viktor Orban and dumping them all back into the sea.

 

[Borgrabbit]

Considering the vital role of Pops in Stellaris. it would be a nice addition to the game.

 

[cletusallretus]

An idea very much worth exploring

 

[lepeluga]

That would be awesome, even more roleplay possibilities!

 

[Ifreann]

It would be irritating for pops to flee your planets in a war, but it would be a pretty realistic consequence of prolonged war weariness.

 

[Smiles_]

It sounds like a mechanic that would fit perfectly into Stellaris in some form. I'd definitely like to see it.


Smiles

 

[sdeezie]

Give me your tentacled, your reptilian,
Your shambling masses,
Yearning to breathe a mostly-nitrogen atmosphere,
The wretched escapees of your teeming nano-swarms,
Send these, the planetless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my fusion torch beside the golden warp-gate.

 

[Cruxador]

Seems like one of those little mechanics that isn't a huge impact on gameplay, but the sort which adds up to make the game feel much more realistic and alive. It would definitely be nice to add.

 

[deezee]

It would definitely be a cool feature (or an event, at least), although they would have to come up with some reason why war-ravaged pops still have access to FTL space travel without their government's assistance.

 

[Cynical Dreamer]

I have nothing against refugees fleeing genocide committed by forms of life from another universe, it's just that most of them are criminals, rapists, drug addicts and yes maybe even a few of them are decent life forms.

But we simply can't take them in before we get a hang of the situation. So I will build a wall, a space wall, and I promise the Blorg will pay for it, yes they will pay for it ! #makespacegreatagain

 

[Alexander Seil]

It would definitely be a cool feature (or an event, at least), although they would have to come up with some reason why war-ravaged pops still have access to FTL space travel without their government's assistance.

POPs already migrate on their own. There's implicitly an unmodeled civilian interstellar economy - the same one referenced in the pirate spawn event.

 

[Mitchz95]

Yes, please! I imagine even the most collectivist pops would panic at the thought of the Unbidden, or some other eldritch horror, approaching their world with the intent to devour everything on it. This could also be tied to the Sedentary and Nomadic traits: nomadic pops will be quicker to bail, while Sedentary pops will want to stay and fight.

I could also see some of these refugees escaping the combat area and starting their own independent colonies far away. That could be an interesting dynamic.

 

[Notho]

I think this is something that should be explored!

 

[999realthings]

Sounds like a good feature but wonder how pop migration will work with the policy. But it does sound possible to implement as I think in Vic 2, migration out of a country increased when it was at war.

 

[Krichase]

As long as pops don't flee en masse, I think this is a very good suggestion. Perhaps it could be something as simple as a small number of pops ignoring migration edicts during orbital bombardment/occupation? Perhaps prefering internal migration as long as there are non-occupied planets in their own empire?

 

[Oscot]

Perhaps prefering internal migration as long as there are non-occupied planets in their own empire?

This would not seem to be a realistic depiction of what refugees (well, "refugees") actually do.
See: Germany, Sweden

 

[jaredstanko]

This would not seem to be a realistic depiction of what refugees (well, "refugees") actually do.
See: Germany, Sweden

well i mean, modern day migrations look like that because of identifiable factors that wouldnt neccisarily be a part of stellaris.

put yourself back into medieval europe, you live in tours and shit-is-going-down. the first islamic empire is bearing down on your doors and you believe your township is in harms way, and you are also one of the privileged few who isnt a serf or soldier of some sort, you have the resources to flee.

where do you flee, paris, or arab toledo?