Reducing Dissent?

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I recently became the Communist States of America, and as a result (in addition to several wars), I have a great deal of dissent (99%). This is reducing slowly over time (-.01), but I wanted to know if there is any way to speed up eliminating this dissent, or if I'm stuck waiting for it to expire?
In addition, is there any way to return to the democratic USA that we have become accustomed to? Or would a reversion to democracy require a negation of the alliance I have with the USSR?

 

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The book says...

Was trying to figure this out myself...the only advice the manual gives is victories lower dissent, and great victories lower it greatly...

Could it be a bit more vague you think?


Josh

 

[The Boss]

Dissent lowers a bit over time as long as you keep your nation happy.

 

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Lowering dissent

I played my first game as the USA in the 1936 scenario. I didn't build any units for many a year and did lots of research. I kept my consumer goods at the 0.00 change level because I didn't know yet about producing more consumer goods as a means to lowering dissent. I had a worker strike sometime early on an instantly had 20% dissent. That sure put a crimp on my production but I marched forward anyway. Then the Japanese attacked in 12/41 and I was at war. I had finally read some post about producing enough consumer goods to lower dissent and so I started down this path very slowly at 0.01 lowering per day. I got my dissent down to about 17%, after inching it up 5 points with a rash of cabinet changes that did nothing to reduce disssent. Then I decided I'd better atatck the Soviet Union before my allies dusted the Axis and ended the game before I wanted it to end. Then I discovered that by being at war I could produce even more consumer goods and get the reduction rate up to a whopping 0.02 per day. But that did the trick and over time my dissent levels kept dropping and I never turned commie. That and I went with a law and order kind of guy for my security.

I tried the same thing with Japan in the 1941 scenario and found that you can reduce Japanese dissent with consumer goods at triple the US rate. I could reduce the Japanese dissent by 0.03 or 0.06 depending on how much consumer goods I pumped in. So it seems that each country is a little different in how the consumer goods over production helps to lower dissent. Ironic that such a consumer oriented country such as ourselves reacts so poorly to more consumer goods as far as making us happy as compared to other countries like Japan. I'd think that the USA and Japanese rates were switched.
Eric Larsen

 

[swilhelm73]

Quite simply, to reduce dissent put more of your production into consumer goods. The more you put in, the more quickly it reduces.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Or you can go dig into your HOI directory and whip out Notepad...

 

[The Boss]

Originally posted by Trip
Or you can go dig into your HOI directory and whip out Notepad...

Hmm cheating I see

 

[Jon Shafer]

Hey now! I call it the 'fudge factor for reality'. Who's to say that America wouldn't support a communistic revolution and a subsequent invasion of Mexico with open arms?

 

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Consumer goods...

To clarify a bit on Swilhelms explination...

Put a LOT into consumer goods. Double it. It takes a day or two for it actually to sink in and show up on your dissent icon. I've seen mine going from a -.02 change to a -.2 change each day by doing so. If you want it to drop fast dump whatever you can spare into your consumer goods!


Josh

 

[jdrou]

If you're at peace every extra 25% consumer goods spending above the demand gives -.02% per day to dissent. Halved in wartime but the drop in demand more than makes up for it.

 

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Keep current government lowers it a few points.

 

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Max drop?

I've noticed that it seems no matter how much I pile into my consumer goods, I only can get it to drop by -.22 percent a day. Not that that's bad but does that sound right to everyone else?

 

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i dont like the dissent factor :\

as a neutral country you cannot invade anybody w/out getting 50-99% dissent....... bah.

 

[jdrou]

Re: Max drop?

Originally posted by thebigbadwolf72
I've noticed that it seems no matter how much I pile into my consumer goods, I only can get it to drop by -.22 percent a day. Not that that's bad but does that sound right to everyone else?

If consumer demand is 15% of available ICs then -.22 would be the best you could get in wartime (see my earlier post). (Actually about -.22666667 but I'm not sure if the game keeps track of more decimal places here than it displays).

 

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Re: Re: Max drop?

Originally posted by jdrou
If consumer demand is 15% of available ICs then -.22 would be the best you could get in wartime (see my earlier post). (Actually about -.22666667 but I'm not sure if the game keeps track of more decimal places here than it displays).

It does. If you put in a bit more IC into consumer than you have to, it says -0.00 decrease. But given enough time, your dissent will decrease.

 

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Hmm..dissent is a good thing though...

At list with the United States of America. Get it into the nintyeth percentile and your people revolt...allowing you to become the United Socialist States of America, or the USSA as I like to call them. This drops your decent down to about 75% then, and your people demand less consumer goods. It also circumvents the need for war entry...because now you can war with whoever you like.

Also, speaking from a purely 1.02 prespective (havent tried 1.03 yet..later tonight!), if you stay in a war with the United States and I'd assume other democracies, you are better off. Your people demand about 1/10th the consumer goods they do in peace time, you can declare war whenever you want, and it's easier to get desent to drop because they are asking for less and there for to double the consumer goods costs much less IC.

So, in parting, go communist, and declare war on Haiti.


Josh:lmao: