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Okay, time to sink the navies of Lithuania and Latvia. Afaik Estonia hasn't a navy.

Lol. It could be good experience for the Red Navy to learn how best to sink a sub. It might come in handy in the future.

Please, don't get stuck in the Baltics.

I thought it was a reasonable update.
 

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Concerning Soviet Navy Organization and Command Structure:

Names for Main Force on each theater were correctly spelled by Amallric, thanks to his knowledge ))

Also, if you ever to venture for Atlantic and Mediterranean – Mediterranean Fleet will be “Sredizemnomorsky Flot”, Atlantic Fleet will be “Atlantichesky Flot”.

Each fleet in reality was usually divided on several parts (for operational purpose, but not for administrative needs) –

1) Eskadra (Squadron) – main force with all battleships and most cruisers, supported by destroyers;
2) Lyogkiye Sily (Light Forces) – support forces for patrolling, minelaying operations and antisubmarine warfare, consisted mainly of destroyers, with sometimes light cruisers and destroyer leaders. Also included torpedoboats and another ships (which are currently not pictured in Paradox Games  );
3) Podvodniye Sily (Submarine Forces) – I think understandable from their name ;)

For example, Eskadra of Northern Fleet in 1944 consisted of BB “Arkhangelsk” (ex-Royal Sovereign), CL “Murmansk” (ex-Milwakee), 1 destroyer leader (Baku), 9 to 12 destroyers (Gnevny-class, Novik-class, US 4-stackers).

You can, in fact, have more than one Eskadra in each Fleet (if your shipbuilding capability allows).

In turn, Light Forces and Submarine Forces are usually divided to flotillas and brigades. For example, in 1944 Submarne Forces of Northern Fleet consisted of three Brigades, 6-8 subs each. In Russian, Brigade will be Brigada Podvodnykh Lodok (Submarine Brigade). Flotilla will be Flotiliya Lyogkikh Sil (Light Forces Flotilla).
 

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Vasilevsky working on naval doctrines! :eek: That man's a genius! Or, it was that or the Purge for him...

Great aar you have here, I've been reading from the start, just posting now. Naval aars are always my cup of tea :)
 
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Why was it deemed necessary to attack the Baltic states, when there were good chances of taking their lands without bloodshed in the near future, simply by pressuring them? (In game terms, demanding territory (which works quite often) or waiting for the events).
 

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The thing is, he has to consider game mechanics. Fleets like that would get butchered by the AI for no gain at all, so putting them like that wouldn't exactly be the best idea.
 

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The thing is, he has to consider game mechanics. Fleets like that would get butchered by the AI for no gain at all, so putting them like that wouldn't exactly be the best idea.

Game mechanics it is, but I for myself usually have large destroyer fleets for hunting enemy subs and/or trade + large combat fleets of battleships operating in the same areas. IMHO large escort groups are more efficient at detecting submarines and then, if enemy heavies show, I always have a batte fleet to support my light forces)))

As in real life...

Also, I dont really propose such fleet composition, it was more about fleet names))
 

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Amallric and roadcop - many thanks! I'll include as much of this as possible within game-terms in the coming "1942 Reform" ;)

Tanesis - Wait and see! :p

Maj. von Mauser - We're not really afraid of their navies now. More like afraid of anything under a colossal success, since expectations are very high in Moscow...

safferli - I think he just accepted to be away from the nastyness going on in the Red Army at the moment...

Kasakka - You doubt the Baltic's provocations, comrade? Perhaps the Pravda isn't good enough for you? :mad: Do you also doubt how much the Red Army needs to redeem itself?

Everyone else, thanks once more, and Onwards! :cool:
 

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Some more words about Soviet wartime Navy organization.

There were two large flotillas of warships (which are still exist) –

1) Belomorskaya Flotiliya (White Sea Flotilla) – based at Arkhangelsk and Molotovsk (later Severodvinsk). Usually includes destroyer- and frigate- sized warships, patrol boats and submarines. Also (on temporary basis) may include warships built at Molotovsk (Severodvinsk), during their trials and/or repairs.

Part of Nothern Fleet.

2) Kamchatskaya Flotiliya (Kamchatka Flotilla) – based at Petropavlovsk. Charged for coastal defense and patrolling of nearest coasts, also for submarine and antisubmarine warfare in Northern Pacific. Usually includes frigate- and corvette- sized warships. Also has some submarines (including nuclear).

Part of Pacific Fleet.

Both flotillas were in existence during WWII, albeit not so numerous and combat-capable as now.

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I love WritAARs who understand the true value of roleplay and its flavour in AARs :cool:
This is current favorit AAR :D
 

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Dmitriy Liadov considered himself a lucky person. Transferred to the Sovietsky Soyuz only one week ago - replacing a poor bastard who got too drunk celebrating the victory over Finland and fell overboard into the Baltic ice - and here he was already in a war-time operation, blocking all access to and from the Gulf of Riga.


Word around the Fleet was that the experience of Turku was planned to repeat, hopefully with even better results, to prove it wasn't just a fluke. So it was that Dmitriy had a chance to see the Naval Infantry, current national heroes, preform a flawless - if unopposed - disembark on enemy territory.


To the Fleet arrived news of fast advances in the front, and great was the celebration when the Naval Infantry coming from the West joined with the Red Army coming from the East and separated the enemy forces in two.


Dmitriy wasn't a Party member, but there were many in the Ship - after all, it was the Flagship of the Soviet Union - and they said now was the time for the second test Viktorov had envisioned: close cooperation between the Navy 's Ships, it's Infantry, and the Red Army itself.


The Naval Infantry had brought special river-crossing equipment to help cross the Daugava


No doubt, the experiment worked.


With Riga being occupied, the assembled fleets were ordered to concentrate their support fire on Tallinn, to once again support the Red Army. Dmitriy was perfectly happy with this, as it meant he had to work some more - his post was in the forward cannons - which provided a nice distraction from the cold sea air of the Baltic

Admiral Kuznetsov had told the Party members in the ship that this was very important, because if the Navy remained in the spotlight for too long while the army was considered flawed it could lead to hostility from Army officials, and even an humiliated Red Army such as the one that came out of Finland, was a dangerous internal adversary. Especially if it started to look as if the flaws of the Army resulted from too much investment in the Navy.


Before the end of May, the reactionary governments of the Baltic Republics had been crushed, and their populations finally able to join the Soviet Motherland as recognized Socialist Republics. The Red Army had redeemed itself, and the Red Fleet proved it's value both in ships and in special forces.


"The future is ours!" the sailors and officials shouted between rounds of vodka and If Tomorrow War Comes, defying a increasingly war-torn World to face the Invincible Union of Socialist Soviet Republics.
 

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good job. but now we know for sure that those navy flags are added in post-production :D
 

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I would appreciate this a LOT more if I didn't just finish reading a fake-translation someone had done of a japanese porn comic to turn it into communist propaganda...

It sounded remarkably like your Soviet Navy stuff in fact.
 

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Maj. von Mauser - We're not really afraid of their navies now. More like afraid of anything under a colossal success, since expectations are very high in Moscow...


I know, I'm just trying to roleplay a bit...:wacko::p

Good job taking over the Baltic "Republics", how long did it take you in total?

I'm interested in seeing what the next operations for the fleet will be.

Maybe Romania will refuse to secede Moldavia ot the SU? I've seen it happen a few times, Naval Infantry could land behind the lines and take Ploesti...
 
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Baltic Countries didn't really have much chance between the marines and army groups.
 

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Those marines will be useful in swamps as well. :)
 

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Good update. This is the first time I have ever seen soviet marines in action. The war with Germany should become more interesting because of them.
 

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Good job, comrade! Thanks to your relentless efforts, the future of the Red Fleet looks as bright as it has never been before! OnwAARds, to victory of socialism and the coming communism! :D
 

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After such successes, the Navy of Every Working Man should be certain about it's great future - and that was indeed the message passed down to the sailors and general populace, stressing most of all the commissioning of three new carriers...


...and the entering in service of a Black Sea Naval Infantry Corps, composed of three divisions.


There was even celebration as Romania returned lands to the USSR.


But, alas, it was not so. And the problems came from land. Contrary to expected, the French were collapsing and the British failed to protect Norway. This war was not being the slow grind between the two enemies of the People has expected.


To make things worse, Germany had recently sent two fearsome battleships out to tests in the Baltic Sea - the Bismarck and the Tirpitz and those were just about to end, according to our spies.


The Bismarck leave port for sea tests in the Baltic - photo taken by one of our spies

In only a couple of months, these two monsters of fascism brought further surprises to the war, as they obliterated most Royal Navy ships they encountered.


In comparison, the two new cruisers entering service in September didn't only look irrelevant - they looked indeed pathetic.


The Royal Navy found an unexpected match, and the Red Fleet was forced by the new relation of force in Europe to consider: would it ever clash with the Kriegsmarine?

Such questions make it understandable of how well the new battle drills and pre-determined orders were received, as well as how easy it was to find funding for a new projects, aimed at speeding up the production of ship parts and protecting valuable targets by hunting down enemy ships that might pose a threat - namely submarines.

 
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Yikes! Looks like the Bismarck made good it's escape.

Hasn't met any real enemy yet it looks like. It has yet to fight the Soviet Navy.

Nice update, the game moves along.

I recently ordered a book about the Soviet Naval planning from 1935-1953, in it it details how Stalin was actually a Mahan affectionado. Also (this might affect your plans) he was not a fan of carriers, feeling that large and powerfull battleships emphasised a powerful navy, and country.

Even as it was becoming clear the carriers were taking over for battleships, he countinued to hold on to this belief, and had several arguments with Kuznetsov, which eventually resulted in his dismissal.