How about the Wiccans or Spiritualists? They seem to be pretty free love.
Red Kings: A Total Martian Conversion
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It would probably be more realistic (and less offense) to make one of the new Martian religions have incest.
Also, somewhat related to this and the previous discussion of how cultures and religions should work, I think the world should be divided into two major regions. The first, probably around the coast, recovered quickly from the Cataclysm and would keep most modern beliefs and values (i.e. gender equality, Earth religions/Atheism, and recognizable cultures; Americans would probably the most powerful) and would mostly be made up of feudal monarchies and merchant republics. The second, further inland and probably making up the majority of the map, were completely devastated by the Cataclysm and developed unique cultures and beliefs (i.e. more patriarchal/matriarchal societies, Martian religions, and bizarre melting pot cultures; Olympians would be the most powerful) and would be made up of a mixture of feudal monarchies, tribes, and nomads.
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Yes, Parha, Taiwanese culture is THAT unreasonable. Creating a Taiwanese culture is like creating a Calabrian culture detached from the Italian one, or an East Anglian one detached from the English (or British, whatever) one.
Glad to know the Iranian idea was welcomed.
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That's actually really good! I'll incorporate that into my new map. Thanks for the contribution!
Well, I'm not talking about Taiwan. I'm talking about Hong Kong.
EDIT: Made the Cydonian incestuous. Makes sense based on their description.
Oh. In that case we are talking about a region whose cultural difference will be gone in 20 years, just the time to properly integrate it within the PRC and abolish its autonomy, which will happen. ON THE OTHER HAND, you can still create a Chinese cultural group and include Tibetans, Mongolians, Cantonese (southern Chinese, including Hong Kongers), Hakka, Mandarin (northern Chinese) and some other peoples from this list
You may also need some help with other cultural groups.
Now, Indians.
You have Punjabis, Hindis and Bengalis, that's a start. You could include a few Dravidian groups as well, like the Tamil. And Pakistanis, considering that they speak nothing more and nothing less than Hindi with a Persian alphabet and Turkic, Arabic and Persian loan words (Urdu), could also fit in perfectly.
Europeans NEED Italians, Spaniards and Greeks. The former two are just too important to be left out, we are between 40 and 60 millions each and Italy, economic crisis or not, is still the fourth economic power in Western Europe, and Greeks can just fit excellently with the Olympian faith and Orthodoxy.
In Africa, you may want to include the Ethiopians. Libyans are just Arabs, so you can take them out.
Slavs need Poles at least, and Croats can be called Jugoslavs and include Serbs and Bosniaks as well in the name lists.
In the Middle East, you may want to take the Kurds out and add in vanilla Levantines representing Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians and vanilla Maghrebis representing Moroccans and Algerians. Kurds could form an Iranian group with Persians, Tajiks and Afghans (Pashtun). Rename the Middle Eastern group to Hamito-Semitic, while you're at it. Turks, I have no idea where they could belong. Not in a Hamito-Semitic group and they're obviously not Iranian. Maybe their own group? Thing is, they're the only group big enough to make it into space, the other Turkic peoples are just too irrelevant.
South East Asian may need Khmers and Viets.
Now, this is still as incomplete and imprecise as it can be, I think, but it still represents slightly better the diversity of peoples who could come to Mars. Many of them could make it by simple virtue of being demographically numerous, which means that a filthy rich businessman from a geopolitically-insignificant area with a big population could bring a few of his kind to the red planet.
Ok, I see your point. I apologize for getting off a bit on the wrong foot with you. Those are some really good suggestions, so I'll try and add them. Do you have some suggestions for Martian cultures?
EDIT: Also, any for Pacific?
You could go for a syncretic approach for cultures, develop some vaguely-plausible syncretic cultures, but I wouldn't know where to start. I just ran out of ideas for now, sorry.
I also think that
When I was brainstorming cutlures in the other thread, I did them mostly with hyphens.
The colonies would all be mixed up with things went bad. and centuries have passed since, so like things should all be mixed
I'd go with take the 10 most populous languages in the world http://listverse.com/2008/06/26/top-10-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world/ (first google result)
Then plop them down as the colonies along with the ones from especially space-likely places, then hyphen them with the neighbours or something
I can't really see a pasifika culture getting to mars. Mostly they're speaking english or french today anyway, and pretty much dominated by larger countries. Not really having independant mars colonial programmes.
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Hmm, the thing I don't like about that is that's pretty much what Crisis of the Confederation did. I don't want to seem like this is a copy or something. The thing with Martian cultures I meant was more like their religions, new and for the Western side.
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I'd like a Neo Roman Culture group because I am Romanophile.
Someone accidentally sent an entire ships worth of highschool latin textbooks instead of the planned emergency supplies to mars, it crash landed neared olympus and was dug up after the cataclysm and formed the foundation of a society...
I'd like a Neo Roman Culture group because I am Romanophile.
I've finished up most of the Eastern (Earth) cultures and will be doing Western (Mars) cultures tomorrow, so the new Roman will be added! How about Renatus as the name? It's Latin for reborn. If any one else has similar ideas, please post them before 5:00 tomorrow. Here's a preview, I think you guys could work around it a bit. The ones without subnames are Martian
Olympian: Olympian religion and related
Wiccaloni: Neo Pagan w/ Jedi
Terran: Terran religion
Cultshur: Tiny Martian cults
I really dig this idea, Ill definitely try it out, but I have 2 things about this mod that I have iffy feelings about.
1.The idea of a colonized mars getting ruined by the volcano is great, but whats the lore behind earth not trying to re-colonize it? (I don't know if this was explained.)
2.I really don't like a blatant Jedi religion. It just seems to far out (for a medieval mars :| ) If it were worded differently, for example not mentioning any named characters, it would be acceptable. But if the gods are going to be Obi-Wan. It's just something I'd rather not see.
Still this mod has a lot of potential, I'm really looking forward to conquering the Red Plains.
1.The idea of a colonized mars getting ruined by the volcano is great, but whats the lore behind earth not trying to re-colonize it? (I don't know if this was explained.)
2.I really don't like a blatant Jedi religion. It just seems to far out (for a medieval mars :| ) If it were worded differently, for example not mentioning any named characters, it would be acceptable. But if the gods are going to be Obi-Wan. It's just something I'd rather not see.
Still this mod has a lot of potential, I'm really looking forward to conquering the Red Plains.
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About the recolonization, that's actually going to be a Horde invasion event mid-game like Mongols or Aztecs. The Jedi religion could stand to be changed up a bit,, perhaps renamed to The Living Force. Priests are called Masters, throw In a few obscure Star Wars events, and maybe the gods could be Light and Darkness? I'll have to think about it tomorrow when my brain is working, and thanks for the input!. About the Red Plains, maybe I could see what the AGOT team did for their custom terrains like Valyria and use it in the mod.
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I'm going to make a version that's the same size as the vanilla map; I just shrunk this one so it would be easier to post on the forums. Just pretend it's the right size for now.Looking at the file size, this map is 1500x1000. The current ck2 map is 3072x2048, so this map is a fourth of the newest map. That's about a fourth, image comparison below.
That said, increasing it to 2500x1700 (Roughly 2/3s larger) maintains the shape nicely and gives the space needed for all the provinces. Quoms, how would you recommend we do it?
As far as a size comparison in terms of area of the planet covered, like I stated before, this map is very slightly larger than the vanilla one.
What ever event led to mass colonization could have caused a heap of problems for the PRC and they lost control of their southern states. Those Cantonese states could be some sort of democratic or even military dictatorship who colonized Mars alongside the PRC. Hell, you could play around a bit with all the Earth countries. Maybe like due to such a huge influx of Pacific and indonesian refugees from rising water flooding into Australia, the pensioned the UN to allow them to transport a large fraction of their population to Mars.
Oh, thank you! Good luck!
Interesting ideas, so maybe I could put an Indonesian or New Zealnder culture into Pacific? Aussie's no longer alone! Also because you brought it up, I'll talk a bit about the governments
Fuedal - Basic governments for most of the countries in the center of the map, same as base game
Trading Company - A playable semi-republic government based on the ones set up by the old British Government. They are one of the only two that can hold trade posts. They're set up by a leader. They are restricted to a duchy unless...
Corporation - Essentially the kingdom level Trading Companies. This is supposed to represent how they've revolted against their liege and taken his kingdom. Can hold cities and castles
Cult(? Better name anybody) - To represent many of the small Martian cults dispersed Across the map like the Nasans, equivalent of Tribal
Theocracy - Same as base game
UN - A unique government for the United Nationals
League of States - A unique government for the Leaguers
Nomadic - For African, Majority of Iranian, and Terrans surrondering Olympus Mons
This is a very interesting project, and I shall keep a eye upon it.
Now, let me give some small criticism, if I may:
-Please, pretty please, it's a very small thing, but as I understand it, the "spaniard" word has a sort of derogatory connotation. I really hope the culture is called Spanish at the end
-What is the rationale behind the fantasy skintones?
-and lastly, I concur that references to well-known sci-fi settings should be keep subtler.
Now, the following is just some random thoughts into world-building that may or may not be of use, but that I had when reading the description of what you have so far in the way of lore:
I get pretty much that you are going for a "medieval Mars" feeling, and that the "lore" justification for it is pretty secondary, but I think that having a more solid background can only help give personality, depth and cohesion to the mod's world, for example:
How long into the future did colonisation start? That might have influenced how the initial colonial projects were laid out, and the amount of population devoted to it. For example, It is most likely that entities like an European union, or any other federation of middle-rank individual states would have led a joint colonisation program. Thus it would be more likely to see mixed european (or say, middle eastern) culture and ethnicity than, say, mixing of american and chinese cultures. It also would influence the plausibility of a multicultural state founding several diferently-cultured colonies. Concretely, If, say China had the ethnic policy it had centuries ago, it probably would only have colonised with it's main culture, or have an elite ruling culture over a subservient majority culture. I actually don't know what is the current or the plausibly future policy of China, but the plausibility of having two different chinese ethinal colonies come into play.
-How long lasted the colonial period prior to the eruption? That would determine things like historical relationships between colonies. As a rule of thumb, the more time the colonies lasted, the more freedom you have to set their "personalities" as diferent from their metropoli. (so, after centuries, perhaps the kurdish descendant are not so begrudging against the turkish ones, but the european cooperation spirit has banished?
-How dependent were the colonies with respect to Earth? If they became autonomous states, that would have given even more liberty to depart from current state of the world. This also could influence the political and cultural map. One could presume that the earth great powers which started the colonisation at roughly the same time did divide the areas of influence roughly equitatively, perhaps with the late-comers getting poorer or smaller regions.
-Really, how much of the technological cultural and historical knowledge has been lost? Going "plain middle age" can be less interesting that mixing elements. Say, for example, that elemental unterstanding of steam machinery or mechanical works has remained more or less preserved, but there is not enough manpower to produce enough machinery to automatise agriculture. That would have rendered a society where more or less advanced artiluges (clockwork engineering, semi-mechanised water distribution, as some examples) can be implemented by specialised artisans in big and rich urban areas, but the rural landscape is basically medieval. Or considerr the state of technology in post-apocalitpic worlds such as that of "Mad max": knowdledge of use and reparation remains, but not of new production, and there is some resource that is too precious. Having some sort of technological edge can come into play specially if you are going to have a modern warfare invasion from Earth
-What is exactly the nature and reach of the disaster? What are the population figures? Have all areas and different groups been equally affected? Is all the land populated, or say, is there space for a second colonisation to stablish new settlements outside the current martian states boundaries?
Now, let me give some small criticism, if I may:
-Please, pretty please, it's a very small thing, but as I understand it, the "spaniard" word has a sort of derogatory connotation. I really hope the culture is called Spanish at the end
-What is the rationale behind the fantasy skintones?
-and lastly, I concur that references to well-known sci-fi settings should be keep subtler.
Now, the following is just some random thoughts into world-building that may or may not be of use, but that I had when reading the description of what you have so far in the way of lore:
I get pretty much that you are going for a "medieval Mars" feeling, and that the "lore" justification for it is pretty secondary, but I think that having a more solid background can only help give personality, depth and cohesion to the mod's world, for example:
How long into the future did colonisation start? That might have influenced how the initial colonial projects were laid out, and the amount of population devoted to it. For example, It is most likely that entities like an European union, or any other federation of middle-rank individual states would have led a joint colonisation program. Thus it would be more likely to see mixed european (or say, middle eastern) culture and ethnicity than, say, mixing of american and chinese cultures. It also would influence the plausibility of a multicultural state founding several diferently-cultured colonies. Concretely, If, say China had the ethnic policy it had centuries ago, it probably would only have colonised with it's main culture, or have an elite ruling culture over a subservient majority culture. I actually don't know what is the current or the plausibly future policy of China, but the plausibility of having two different chinese ethinal colonies come into play.
-How long lasted the colonial period prior to the eruption? That would determine things like historical relationships between colonies. As a rule of thumb, the more time the colonies lasted, the more freedom you have to set their "personalities" as diferent from their metropoli. (so, after centuries, perhaps the kurdish descendant are not so begrudging against the turkish ones, but the european cooperation spirit has banished?
-How dependent were the colonies with respect to Earth? If they became autonomous states, that would have given even more liberty to depart from current state of the world. This also could influence the political and cultural map. One could presume that the earth great powers which started the colonisation at roughly the same time did divide the areas of influence roughly equitatively, perhaps with the late-comers getting poorer or smaller regions.
-Really, how much of the technological cultural and historical knowledge has been lost? Going "plain middle age" can be less interesting that mixing elements. Say, for example, that elemental unterstanding of steam machinery or mechanical works has remained more or less preserved, but there is not enough manpower to produce enough machinery to automatise agriculture. That would have rendered a society where more or less advanced artiluges (clockwork engineering, semi-mechanised water distribution, as some examples) can be implemented by specialised artisans in big and rich urban areas, but the rural landscape is basically medieval. Or considerr the state of technology in post-apocalitpic worlds such as that of "Mad max": knowdledge of use and reparation remains, but not of new production, and there is some resource that is too precious. Having some sort of technological edge can come into play specially if you are going to have a modern warfare invasion from Earth
-What is exactly the nature and reach of the disaster? What are the population figures? Have all areas and different groups been equally affected? Is all the land populated, or say, is there space for a second colonisation to stablish new settlements outside the current martian states boundaries?
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Well, Calabria ITSELF isn't a separate culture but it is in a region with a distinct culture and in some ways language.
Not any more distinct than Calabria, Campania, Sicily, Apulia or Abruzzo or Molise, really. We're all part of the same cultural continuum, with slightly farther relations with everyone else in the boot while still maintaining a semblance of continuity with them. The only real aliens are probably Friulans and Sardinians.
There's no Italy without Calabria...and I don't think there's a China without the Taiwanese or the Cantonese, or a Germany without Brandeburgers or Bavarians.
Hell, the name Italy started in Calabria
By the way, last correction, to Parha: it's Persian culture, not Iranian. Iranian is just the group that is made of Persians, Kurds, Tajiks, Afghans and Lurs (they're basically speakers of old Persian. May as well scratch them out).
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