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Why can't we just make one RA1 scenario, one RA2 scenario and on YR Scenario?
I can make the RA2 and YR scenarios my self as soon as dommsday is released
I can make the RA2 and YR scenarios my self as soon as dommsday is released
I agree, if that's not already what's going on.
Yeah, from the look of the scenario editor for Doomsday, creating mods like these could take a fraction of the time and manpower it took before.
MaximusII said:
RA1 is about the late 40'thies, early 50'thies and RA2 is modern day.
RA2 is in fact in the 70'ths 
and as we make to different scenarios we will make 2 different tech trees as well
EDIT: Here's a time line I have made for a RA1 Scenario, the events leading up to the war,and making the map look the way it does in RA1
1. A communist coup in Poland makes the nation join the Soviet Union.
2. Soviet-Polish forces quickly annexes the Baltic States, in a risk for war, the allies let the annexation go as planned.
3. Soviet Forces start positing themselves in Poland, the Polish government demands eastern Prussia from Germany.
3. A Germany, which is weakened by the Versailles treaty fold into Polish demands.
4. Soviet forces starts to take position on the Russo-Finnish border. The British, fearing a new Great War starts talks with the Soviet Union, the Soviets demands Finnish Karelia, the Finnish, who don’t want to risk a war with the Soviet Union folds.
5. Soviet forces invade Finland, Finland, with a weak army and without the hopes to get help from any one, hold the lines for a week, then surrenders. Finland is annexed by the Soviet Union, no protests from Britain, France or Germany only from Sweden, the protest is ignored by the Soviet government.
6. Riots start in the Ukraine, the people demands an independent country, the Soviet Union gives into the demands, risking loosing their wheat fields in the Ukraine if a civil war starts. A Soviet communist government is set up in the Ukraine.
7. Ukrainian, Polish and Soviet forces take position on the Romanian border, a quick campaign and a communist coup later and Romania is a puppet of the Soviet Union, with the provinces of Moldavia turned over to the Ukrainians.
8. With the threat from the Soviet Union, the Allies (Mainly Britain and France) invite Germany to join the allies and hence the Versailles treaty is no more. Germany immediately accepts and starts a huge airplane and tank production. Austria, Czechoslovakia and Switzerland are also invited, only Austria joins.
9. Soviet forces invites Hungary to join their alliance, Hungary first denies, a week later, an envoy arrives from Hungary joining the Soviet Union.
10. Polish-Hungarian forces demand a free Slovakia from Czechoslovakia, Czechoslovakia says no and are invaded by the Soviets. They turn to Western Allies for help, no help are send because allies wants a Peaceful solution and they start negotiations with the soviets, after a short war, the Czechs are offered peace if they give the People of Slovakia freedom.
11. During the peace talks, the French and British starts to position their forces in Germany, Italy is also invited to the allies. In Britain, France and Germany, people begin to prepare for war with the soviets.
12. The Czech Republic joins the allies, Switzerland is offered but they turn down the offer.
13. Bulgaria, Who believes that they can make something from joining the Soviet Union, joins the Soviets.
14. The allies, who think that they still can avoid another Great War, starts supporting partisan and anti soviet groups in Poland,
15. The German professor, Albert Einstein, who believe in peace and want to change the world for the better and not the worse, is kidnapped by a small soviet force during his vacation in eastern Germany.
and as we make to different scenarios we will make 2 different tech trees as well
EDIT: Here's a time line I have made for a RA1 Scenario, the events leading up to the war,and making the map look the way it does in RA1
1. A communist coup in Poland makes the nation join the Soviet Union.
2. Soviet-Polish forces quickly annexes the Baltic States, in a risk for war, the allies let the annexation go as planned.
3. Soviet Forces start positing themselves in Poland, the Polish government demands eastern Prussia from Germany.
3. A Germany, which is weakened by the Versailles treaty fold into Polish demands.
4. Soviet forces starts to take position on the Russo-Finnish border. The British, fearing a new Great War starts talks with the Soviet Union, the Soviets demands Finnish Karelia, the Finnish, who don’t want to risk a war with the Soviet Union folds.
5. Soviet forces invade Finland, Finland, with a weak army and without the hopes to get help from any one, hold the lines for a week, then surrenders. Finland is annexed by the Soviet Union, no protests from Britain, France or Germany only from Sweden, the protest is ignored by the Soviet government.
6. Riots start in the Ukraine, the people demands an independent country, the Soviet Union gives into the demands, risking loosing their wheat fields in the Ukraine if a civil war starts. A Soviet communist government is set up in the Ukraine.
7. Ukrainian, Polish and Soviet forces take position on the Romanian border, a quick campaign and a communist coup later and Romania is a puppet of the Soviet Union, with the provinces of Moldavia turned over to the Ukrainians.
8. With the threat from the Soviet Union, the Allies (Mainly Britain and France) invite Germany to join the allies and hence the Versailles treaty is no more. Germany immediately accepts and starts a huge airplane and tank production. Austria, Czechoslovakia and Switzerland are also invited, only Austria joins.
9. Soviet forces invites Hungary to join their alliance, Hungary first denies, a week later, an envoy arrives from Hungary joining the Soviet Union.
10. Polish-Hungarian forces demand a free Slovakia from Czechoslovakia, Czechoslovakia says no and are invaded by the Soviets. They turn to Western Allies for help, no help are send because allies wants a Peaceful solution and they start negotiations with the soviets, after a short war, the Czechs are offered peace if they give the People of Slovakia freedom.
11. During the peace talks, the French and British starts to position their forces in Germany, Italy is also invited to the allies. In Britain, France and Germany, people begin to prepare for war with the soviets.
12. The Czech Republic joins the allies, Switzerland is offered but they turn down the offer.
13. Bulgaria, Who believes that they can make something from joining the Soviet Union, joins the Soviets.
14. The allies, who think that they still can avoid another Great War, starts supporting partisan and anti soviet groups in Poland,
15. The German professor, Albert Einstein, who believe in peace and want to change the world for the better and not the worse, is kidnapped by a small soviet force during his vacation in eastern Germany.
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Yeah, RA begins in early 50's, RA2 in '71-'72, and then the Tiberium games come in the late 90s.
The timeline of events for the last months before war goes:
National Socialist Party disbands.
Nazi member blames communist infiltration for the collapse.
Tensions rise between Germany and the Soviet Union.
Treaty of Rapallo repealed.
Western forces ask Soviets to join UN. It is declined.
Soviet Union demands apology from Germany and the allow Comintern back in Germany.
Germany refuses.
Soviet Union mobilises.
Western Europe allies as Alliance of Democratic Nations.
Negotiations fail.
Soviet Union invades Poland (to get to Germany)
War.
So there are a couple of things which need to change for your pre-war timeline.
1. Poland is not couped (and Germany does not fold to demands etc).
2. Ukraine stays part of Soviet Union.
3. Do Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania start off as part of the Soviet Union at the start of Red Alert? I don't want to search for it (I lost the case). If not, then don't have them become part of the USSR.
When should the game start? 48, to allow build up? At the time of the invasion of Poland? Same point as game (post Poland invasion)?
The timeline of events for the last months before war goes:
National Socialist Party disbands.
Nazi member blames communist infiltration for the collapse.
Tensions rise between Germany and the Soviet Union.
Treaty of Rapallo repealed.
Western forces ask Soviets to join UN. It is declined.
Soviet Union demands apology from Germany and the allow Comintern back in Germany.
Germany refuses.
Soviet Union mobilises.
Western Europe allies as Alliance of Democratic Nations.
Negotiations fail.
Soviet Union invades Poland (to get to Germany)
War.
So there are a couple of things which need to change for your pre-war timeline.
1. Poland is not couped (and Germany does not fold to demands etc).
2. Ukraine stays part of Soviet Union.
3. Do Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania start off as part of the Soviet Union at the start of Red Alert? I don't want to search for it (I lost the case). If not, then don't have them become part of the USSR.
When should the game start? 48, to allow build up? At the time of the invasion of Poland? Same point as game (post Poland invasion)?
Why should RA be fought in the 50:s?
Red Alert is being fought in the 40:ths as WW2 never happend....
In 'our world' which is the same world as Albert Einstein is in the RA intro, and RA is fought in a parallel universe, which is exatcly like ours, but it's created by Einsteins timetravel thingy....
...Something like that
Red Alert is being fought in the 40:ths as WW2 never happend....
In 'our world' which is the same world as Albert Einstein is in the RA intro, and RA is fought in a parallel universe, which is exatcly like ours, but it's created by Einsteins timetravel thingy....
...Something like that
Another thing, is it possible to have an event that raises the rate that a unit gets reinforced? For example, if the chronosphere is included, could it be made so that from then on Allied divisions have their strength go up twice as fast as normal? Thinking of the chronosphere being useful for quickly reinforcing troops at the front. Or, could it be used as a form of air transport?
I was thining that, maybe, it could be an event, when it's ready you will get an event asking "Were to?" and choose from three locations, suddenly a army will popup there start fihting the troops there
Maximus, your list is terrific! I'd like to talk about some of the numbers, though:
Were you thinking of instant event annexation, or of a series of territorial demands, like in the standard game? If we go the demands route, we need to make sure Memel is included.
Finland folds? You're going to offinn a lotta Finns with that perspective.
Why not have a situation like the Treaty of Munich? Give it a different name, like the "Treaty of Leningrad" or something, and make the Allies agree to Soviet demands for Karelia. But, unlike the real Czechoslovakia, Finland doesn't agree to the demands and the Winter War starts. In this version, the Soviets can fight them all the way to annexation.
I know this is a facet of the game--and I liked it the first time I saw it--but it may make the game awfully weird. Perhaps make this a choice for the player, in which case refusing to create Ukraine would cause a great deal of dissent?
It just seems like this mod would be the best opportunity to "paint the world red".
This is good, but I thought you said Poland was part of the U.S.S.R. now, no? Because if Poland is just a puppet, then you're going to have the path to Germany blocked, and the Soviets won't acquire any more land.
Excellent! Just make sure we have events for his rescue. Should we go with the Allied campaign version of rescue (very early in the war; commando raid by Tanya Adams) or the Soviet campaign version (toward the end of the war; Einstein is about to be executed when the Allies use the Chronosphere, but the Soviets had set the whole thing up as bait to track where the Chronosphere was located)?
Perhaps make it a choice for the Allies? If they rescue Einstein with the chronosphere, then the Soviets get some free blueprints, but if they rescue Einstein with Tanya, then something else negative happens?
* * *
Ooh! I do like the idea of having Germany answer an "Outlaw the Communist Party?" event that makes the Soviets mad if they answer to do it.
I know Poland was separated by borders in the Red Alert map, but didn't it start the game under Soviet control? In fact, I know the war doesn't actually start until the invasion of Germany... do you remember the briefing for the second Soviet level?
The first Soviet level was putting down some partisans. In the second level, you are placed on the Soviet-German border and told that war will begin soon. The Soviet officer Georgi Kukov (I'm not kidding; that's his name) tells you not to make the first move, but, if German troops cross the border, don't be afraid to take the fight to them. This is when World War II starts.
From where did you get that quote? In real life, Josef Stalin died of a stroke in 1953. Einstein died in 1955. That's not much time for waging war. If that wasn't from an original Westwood/EA site or the game manual, then I'd doubt it. If it DID come from an official source, then I guess just have to extend the lifetimes of Stalin and Einstein... or, we can just let them die when they did historically and leave it at that.
Stalin may even be assassinated before then, if the Soviets conquer England.
Ah, Red Alert history... I think the game manual might have also said that the Soviet Union was founded after a series of dreams that Stalin experienced. :rofl:
I mean, forget about Lenin, right? For all the guff we give Paradox about the few times they get history wrong. Thank you, Paradox!
Maybe having the increased strength as a benefit of the Iron Curtain, and having increased chances of surprise attack for the Chronosphere? (the increased reinforcement rate is great too, but I'm not sure if there's a command for it)
Perhaps having a series of "transportation" events for the Chronosphere, where a unit is deleted and a unit of identical name appears somewhere else on the map? Or perhaps some larger scale assaults... I can see the potential benefits of an Allied fleet and marines suddenly appearing in the Black Sea, past neutral Turkey.
* * *
Some ideas of my own:
Japan: Okay, bear with me. We have a lot of RA2 fans here, right? Well, we see at the beginning of RA2 that the USA still has an Iwo Jima monument. With some interpretation, we can take this to mean that the USA also fought and defeated Japan in this timeline, during the same time that they defeated the Soviet Union.
So, how about we leave Japan to its own elements, perhaps changing the name of the Axis to the "Sphere" and making Japan the leader?
There could be a non-aggression pact between them and the Soviets? It could be the "Molotov-Konoe Pact" (Prince Fumimaro Konoe starts as Japan's prime minister and foreign minister in 1939), and it could trigger a short period after the battle of Khalkin Ghol, so long as neither Japan nor the Soviets choose to turn it into all-out war. Pearl Harbor could occur as it always does, and the increased interventionism and threat of Communism could convince the USA to declare war on the Soviets shortly after.
Greece: We can't forget about the native nation of Nikos Stavros! Perhaps Greece can be one of the first nations attacked by Soviet forces, making the Greeks join the Allies?
MaximusII said:
Were you thinking of instant event annexation, or of a series of territorial demands, like in the standard game? If we go the demands route, we need to make sure Memel is included.
Finland folds? You're going to offinn a lotta Finns with that perspective.
Why not have a situation like the Treaty of Munich? Give it a different name, like the "Treaty of Leningrad" or something, and make the Allies agree to Soviet demands for Karelia. But, unlike the real Czechoslovakia, Finland doesn't agree to the demands and the Winter War starts. In this version, the Soviets can fight them all the way to annexation.
I know this is a facet of the game--and I liked it the first time I saw it--but it may make the game awfully weird. Perhaps make this a choice for the player, in which case refusing to create Ukraine would cause a great deal of dissent?
It just seems like this mod would be the best opportunity to "paint the world red".
This is good, but I thought you said Poland was part of the U.S.S.R. now, no? Because if Poland is just a puppet, then you're going to have the path to Germany blocked, and the Soviets won't acquire any more land.
Excellent! Just make sure we have events for his rescue. Should we go with the Allied campaign version of rescue (very early in the war; commando raid by Tanya Adams) or the Soviet campaign version (toward the end of the war; Einstein is about to be executed when the Allies use the Chronosphere, but the Soviets had set the whole thing up as bait to track where the Chronosphere was located)?
Perhaps make it a choice for the Allies? If they rescue Einstein with the chronosphere, then the Soviets get some free blueprints, but if they rescue Einstein with Tanya, then something else negative happens?
* * *
Blodwen said:
Ooh! I do like the idea of having Germany answer an "Outlaw the Communist Party?" event that makes the Soviets mad if they answer to do it.
I know Poland was separated by borders in the Red Alert map, but didn't it start the game under Soviet control? In fact, I know the war doesn't actually start until the invasion of Germany... do you remember the briefing for the second Soviet level?
The first Soviet level was putting down some partisans. In the second level, you are placed on the Soviet-German border and told that war will begin soon. The Soviet officer Georgi Kukov (I'm not kidding; that's his name) tells you not to make the first move, but, if German troops cross the border, don't be afraid to take the fight to them. This is when World War II starts.
Blodwen said:
From where did you get that quote? In real life, Josef Stalin died of a stroke in 1953. Einstein died in 1955. That's not much time for waging war. If that wasn't from an original Westwood/EA site or the game manual, then I'd doubt it. If it DID come from an official source, then I guess just have to extend the lifetimes of Stalin and Einstein... or, we can just let them die when they did historically and leave it at that.
Stalin may even be assassinated before then, if the Soviets conquer England.
Ah, Red Alert history... I think the game manual might have also said that the Soviet Union was founded after a series of dreams that Stalin experienced. :rofl:
I mean, forget about Lenin, right? For all the guff we give Paradox about the few times they get history wrong. Thank you, Paradox!
Blodwyn said:
MaximusII said:
Maybe having the increased strength as a benefit of the Iron Curtain, and having increased chances of surprise attack for the Chronosphere? (the increased reinforcement rate is great too, but I'm not sure if there's a command for it)
Perhaps having a series of "transportation" events for the Chronosphere, where a unit is deleted and a unit of identical name appears somewhere else on the map? Or perhaps some larger scale assaults... I can see the potential benefits of an Allied fleet and marines suddenly appearing in the Black Sea, past neutral Turkey.
* * *
Some ideas of my own:
Japan: Okay, bear with me. We have a lot of RA2 fans here, right? Well, we see at the beginning of RA2 that the USA still has an Iwo Jima monument. With some interpretation, we can take this to mean that the USA also fought and defeated Japan in this timeline, during the same time that they defeated the Soviet Union.
So, how about we leave Japan to its own elements, perhaps changing the name of the Axis to the "Sphere" and making Japan the leader?
There could be a non-aggression pact between them and the Soviets? It could be the "Molotov-Konoe Pact" (Prince Fumimaro Konoe starts as Japan's prime minister and foreign minister in 1939), and it could trigger a short period after the battle of Khalkin Ghol, so long as neither Japan nor the Soviets choose to turn it into all-out war. Pearl Harbor could occur as it always does, and the increased interventionism and threat of Communism could convince the USA to declare war on the Soviets shortly after.
Greece: We can't forget about the native nation of Nikos Stavros! Perhaps Greece can be one of the first nations attacked by Soviet forces, making the Greeks join the Allies?
RA1 begins in the 50's becouse with no WW2 as we know it, the technology is much higher than normal (becouse of peace and german scientists)
Einstein and other people of the timeline of NOW are not dead in the timline of RA at the same time (they are sepetated, so no need for it...if you have a problem with this, then I just suggest they eat more healthy in RA )
I give a link to a nearly perfect history timeline for you...READ IT!
HISTORY LINK
Einstein and other people of the timeline of NOW are not dead in the timline of RA at the same time (they are sepetated, so no need for it...if you have a problem with this, then I just suggest they eat more healthy in RA
)I give a link to a nearly perfect history timeline for you...READ IT!
HISTORY LINK
jorian said:
Hmm... it looks like a fan creation, but it is very in depth. Besides, it'd be hard to explain why technology is so high without a Cold War stretching from the 30s-40s... so maybe it would work in the 50s, if we can stretch our imaginations to include life longetivity drugs or something for Stalin and Einstein.
But, if this starts in the 50s, would we presume that the Versailles Treaty would have already been rescinded? Even without Hitler, it wasn't very popular in Germany, and a Communist threat has been mounting.
One thing I'm not sure I agree with in the timeline link... it says Japan joined the Allies against Russia. What about China? What about oil in the Dutch East Indies?
Maybe, to increase the challenge factor, we can have Japan join the Allies if U.S.S.R. is played by a human player, and have them attack the Allies if the Soviets are A.I.-controlled.
What if Italy is loosing in Ethipia and more troops are needed and more countries join that war and it turn out to a 'almost world war'?