Reconstruction Game: Kingdom of Heaven

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KINGDOM OF HEAVEN​

The Reconstruction Post Siege​

Introductions:
Hello all, as I mentioned in the initial thread, I am new to MP and trying to put some players together for a weekly game. Kingdom of Heaven will aim at those who are also new to MP game, friendly, easy going.

Kingdom of Heaven will use the vanilla map and the traditional 1492 start date.

Settings:

GMs: _King_of_Pain_
Time: 22:00 GMT= 5pm NY Time(Eastern US Coast)
Sessions: 3 Hours Tuesday and Thursday
Start Date: Oct 16th 2007
Scenario: Age of Explorations
Mode: Simple Vanilla map


Rules:

1. The "No Do":
-No Edit
-No AI map trade
-No lag abuse
-No Force-burn a manufactory
-No attack an enemy fleet with pirates
-No Release one or more vassals during wartime, to hinder an enemy

2. There is a forced peace rule to prevent eternal wars:
-The total of provinces that the loser will ever have to give up is : Max 3 European province, 3 Non European provinces. That makes it 6 in total.

If you have been at war for 5 years or more with another nation
- and that nations sends you a stab hitting peace offer
- and you are at stab -3
- and the peace offer is based upon a war score of -99 for you,
then you must accept the stab hit peace offer.
Note: it is recommended that you pause the game and inform your opponent that you are about to force him to a peace this way, then he can check the current WS.

3. Vassalship between humans.
If you are vassalised by another human
a) you must stay as a vassal at least 20 years (the vassaliser may cancel the vasssalship any time he wants)
b) you cannot enter any other alliance than that of your master
c) you must accept a proposal of alliance/TA/MA from your Master
d) you cannot start a war or join a war without consent from your Master
e) apart from that you may do anything you want

Anyway, besides all the above, let's try to keep it real : fair play; friendly, powergaming so common in most games,

Nations:
Must have:

France:
Spain:
England:
Austria:
Ottoman:
Sweeden:
Russia:

Extra:
Poland
Venice
Netherlands
Brandemburg
Portugal
Persia

Alright gentlements, let's get right to the point picking your nation. Only this time, we must arrange players in the right nations accordingly to their skill level to keep game balancing! That means more XP players will be in tougher nations and otherwise.

 

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K guys, first thing first, let's list all players in the order of experience. We then will arrange ourselves to nations accordingly.

list of players:

Fruco
Alek
Uls
_K_O_P_
Grabah
Duque

looks from the list, I might be the noobiest player.

Nobody and Mungo have been said not to join us. Couple new players have pmed me. They should be here soon.

 

[Duque Alesandro]

1. I prefer quality than quantity

2. economical management becomes important... and boring. wars use to be very expensive, that's why nobody cares and hypertech.

3.on the contrary! every country use to reach to 1492 wealthier and more powerful (better technology, usually 3,2 infra/2,7 trade/6,8 land/5,3 naval; this is a statistical mean of some games I've found in the stats site starting from 1419, in comparison the 1492 scenario means are 2infra/2,3 trade/6,3land/5,6naval). Spain and Portugal might lose their tech and colonization advantage (random explorers are probable for other nations before columbus, and if they don't have any, everyone could steal maps from AI, Morocco is an example)

Statistically, France, Poland and OE gets the advantages. If you're lucky they might fight each other to counter their wealth a bit... but as i said few people decide to fight during the 1400' century. Conclusion: Habsburgs' advantage disappear; not that historical.

It's you who said starting 1419 is boring. I think is ony a different experience (low money, no assaults, ...). It's only a different age (economically and military) which need to be palyed in different way. Then, what it's quality and what isn't?

I don't know what stats have you been watching. Example: watch stats of the game "Defeat Before Dismemberment" (the first I have watch starting in 1419) and tell me if the levels in 1488 are the same that starting 1492 (it would be a really fantastic four years if you reach same levels).

I'm not sure on how 1.09 version goes but in 1.08 version you CAN'T get explorers by random event before 1550 (The same for conquers before 1500). I think in this hasn't changed with 1.09. Then I can't see how SPA and POR will loose is colonizating advantage.

Will somebody attack Morocco only to get his mapas early in the game (without land tech advantages). I don't think nobody does except SPA and POR, and I'm sure that both of them could avoid someone gets Morocco's maps. Even if someone gets those maps, he couldn't do too much against further Spanish's explorers. Anyway, there will be no problem: I could sacrify myself picking poor Spain .


However, I don't think this discussion will bring us a solution. I prefer Fnuco's proposal (I think we should choose one scenario and make a second round among 2/3 preferred scenarios):

1. Vainilla 1419.


I also think it's better to choose the scenario before pick countries.


PD: I have posted in spanish and french forums searching for new players.

 

[Duque Alesandro]

KoP, on the one hand the link to this thread you posted in the old thread doesn't work (it didn't work for me).

On the other, I thik if Nobodyreal and Mungo really want to play (I don't know if they do), we should allow them (at least as secondary countries).

 

[Aleksidze]

I'm up for WAtK 1453

And again, 1419 are evil,

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ic&season=Valkyrie.net XI&lang=eng&choicet=19

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...=ic&season=Valkyrie.net X&lang=eng&choicet=20

Couple of games that started in 1419 and ended b'cause of the unbalanced scenario. Those were played with 'supposed' balanced scenarios, I don't want to imagine playing with the 'stock' 1419 vanilla scen.

 

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Hey guys. I am available to join this game if needed, depending on times and such. I can make it Thursdays for sure, Tuesdays I CANNOT due to work.

As I said in a recent PM to KoP I'm simply offering myself as a player of last resort due to my noobishness in this arena. I haven't ever played MP before and I'm about average in SP. With that said, I'd like to play if only to get the experience. If a player is badly needed I could join as an unimportant "filler" nation, at least on Thursdays. Let me know. I'll be checking back in shortly.


NC

 

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Hey guys. I am available to join this game if needed, depending on times and such. I can make it Thursdays for sure, Tuesdays I CANNOT due to work.

As I said in a recent PM to KoP I'm simply offering myself as a player of last resort due to my noobishness in this arena. I haven't ever played MP before and I'm about average in SP. With that said, I'd like to play if only to get the experience. If a player is badly needed I could join as an unimportant "filler" nation, at least on Thursdays. Let me know. I'll be checking back in shortly.


NC

yes, it's thursday session. see game time above.

guys, we need to get on with nations.

 

[Duque Alesandro]

I'm up for WAtK 1453

And again, 1419 are evil,

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ic&season=Valkyrie.net XI&lang=eng&choicet=19

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...=ic&season=Valkyrie.net X&lang=eng&choicet=20

Couple of games that started in 1419 and ended b'cause of the unbalanced scenario. Those were played with 'supposed' balanced scenarios, I don't want to imagine playing with the 'stock' 1419 vanilla scen.

Oh, my god! I watched both screens. I have seen the face of the devil! The main problem I have seen is... Wait a minute. What was the problem?

We have reach a very similar situation in only 40 years. At least, Spain hadn't got 6 CoT. I'll tell you once more: must be human players and his diplomacy who balance the game. Must be human players who avoid the others to expand easily. We seen it in our last game. BB tried to annex minors and Austria avoid it. If BB hab got some help, they had to reach an agreement and probably minors had survived for some time.

Let's try 1419, it won't be worst than our first 1492 attemp.

 

[Duque Alesandro]

yes, it's thursday session. see game time above.

guys, we need to get on with nations.

First, I think we should decide about scenario.

But certainly I think we have to decide it soon. And Also should decide who is going to host and make some trial before Thursday with the new one.

 

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Guys, I hope I was not the cause for the ruin of the last game.

Was I?

 

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Guys, I hope I was not the cause for the ruin of the last game.

Was I?

nope, i think i was

 

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I am for:

1. Watk 1453 (1st option)
2. vanilla 1492
3. Watk 1492

I say we pick the scenario first, and based on that we state our 3 starting choices.

(taken from the closed thread)

so far we have:
Duque - vanilla 1419
Alek - watk 1453
Fnuco - watk 1453

and the others?

 

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Vanilla 1492.

 

[unmerged(63809)]

Well if I'm counted in I'd say vanilla. 1419 or 1492 makes no difference to me.

NC

 

[Duque Alesandro]

. I have downloaded WATK 1453. I have seen each playable has a core in the capital city of each other. I don't like it. Why you have to get a permanent "causus belli" against the others. It's better to use diplomacy to get a CB or declare war without CB (loosing stability and increasing BB). That's more real and I think it's one of the best things in EU2.

Another thing I don't like is to start the game with bailiffs in all provinces and 700D in treasury (as Spain).

 

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guys, please stick to Vanilla 1492. Keep it simple. also easier to find sub, perm if neededdown the road. and please respect my wish.

Now, what we need to do is to arrange players to nations accordingly to skill.

For host, Fruco can be host.

Let's go

 

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I'm fine with vanilla. As for my selection of nation, I leave that to the rest of you to decide in order to establish some balance in the game.

 

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my preferences:

1-Ottomans
2-France
3-England

 

[Aleksidze]

Looks like vanilla 1492 will be the chosen one, but at least, check out some balanced scenarios for that date.

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...eason=Valkyrie.net XII&lang=eng&yearsave=1492

That is Peter Ebesen's scenario, download the 1492 save and check it out. Permanent CB can be removed with edits, bailiffs too. This type of balanced scenarios helps nations with low manpower like Sweden and England, cuts wealth from countries that have too much and gives wealth to those that need it. That kind of edits really helps.

Choices:

1.- France
2.- England
3.- Spain

 

[Aleksidze]

Let's try 1419, it won't be worst than our first 1492 attemp.

I'm gonna hold this quote so you can read it when we reach the 1500's.