Receiving trade power from shouldn't cost a diplomatic relation

[Riekopo]

I defeated the Livonian Order in a war and made them transfer their trade power where we both have it. To my surprise this counts as a diplomatic relation which put me over my limit. This is pretty goofy to me. I don't think this war spoil should count as a diplomatic relation. It's not significant enough in my opinion.

http://imgur.com/94DYdCx

 

[awesome_scorpion]

Transferring trade power is a lot more complicated than "give me 10 percent of your monthly income". For starters is it a very vague concept in the real world, making it extremely difficult to evaluate how much trade power is owned by whom where when. Secondly does transferring trade power imply that the traders follow your orders. This is something most traders in foreign countries won't have to worry about, since it is pretty much truce-breaking to enforce your trade orders yourself on traders in a different nation. So you have to communicate and cooperate with the "trade police" of the target nation, another drain on diplomatic vectors. From these two factoids one can easily conclude that you are going to need some people loyal to you maintaining this relationship. IE: costing you a diplomatic relationship.

 

[Riekopo]

Royal marriage shouldn't cost a diplomatic relation either in my opinion. Diplomatic relations are too limited and these things not substantial enough to warrant costing a diplomatic relation.

 

[NWCtim]

Maybe expand the system into separate 'major' and 'minor' relations. Minor relations would include less impactful diplomatic arraignments or dealings with weak countries, possibly with things like giving subsidies, fleet basing, CNs and/or protectorates taking a minor relations slot instead of being free.

 

[Riekopo]

Maybe expand the system into separate 'major' and 'minor' relations. Minor relations would include less impactful diplomatic arraignments or dealings with weak countries, possibly with things like giving subsidies, fleet basing, CNs and/or protectorates taking a minor relations slot instead of being free.

I really like this idea.

 

[markros50]

I agree, You can subsidize for no relation slot, get war reps, but not trade power? This seriously hiders trading countries a lot, not to mention, the impact of 30-50% of a small country's tradepower is not significant.
As of now, nobody uses transfer tradepower unless on his way to diplovassalize. Isn't it true?

 

[Incompetent]

Yeah, transferring trade power is a bit of a waste of time given that it uses up a slot. Also it doesn't make sense to say that it's diplomatically taxing to get another country to transfer its trade to you, given that Westerners are allowed to have as many African and Asian protectorates as they like without running into problems with relations slots.

 

[Chieron]

Maybe expand the system into separate 'major' and 'minor' relations. Minor relations would include less impactful diplomatic arraignments or dealings with weak countries, possibly with things like giving subsidies, fleet basing, CNs and/or protectorates taking a minor relations slot instead of being free.

One could also give different relations different costs (apart from 0 and 1 relations)
Multiply all current relation numbers by 5.
alliance, vassalage,.. cost 4 relation points, which is also the maximum all relations with a single country combined can cost (4 instead of 5 to account for the CN costs)
RM, passage, trade power, CN, guarantee.. cost 1 point.
pay 1 DIP for every 4 relations over limit, rounded up.

 

[BrokenSky]

Personally, I think tech shouldn't be based on monarch points. If that were implemented, then the main use of diplo-points would be maintaining relations. In that scenario, receiving trade power should cost a diplo-slot, but outside of that scenario I think no?

One could also give different relations different costs (apart from 0 and 1 relations)
Multiply all current relation numbers by 5.
alliance, vassalage,.. cost 4 relation points, which is also the maximum all relations with a single country combined can cost (4 instead of 5 to account for the CN costs)
RM, passage, trade power, CN, guarantee.. cost 1 point.
pay 1 DIP for every 4 relations over limit, rounded up.

This would also work, but it would be a more complicated solution to the problem, and might not be worth (increased enjoyment/work input) it.

 

[markros50]

Personally, I think tech should be based on monarch points. If that were implemented, then the main use of diplo-points would be maintaining relations.

Did You mean "shouldn't" ?

 

[BrokenSky]

Did You mean "shouldn't" ?

yes. Fixed. thanks