Rebirth of the Japanese Empire: A Japan MDS 1.6 AAR

[Zhuge Liang]

@Zhuge Liang: In the situation on Okinawa, I don't think the Americans would have much choice. Its their soldiers who acted recklessly and killed Japanese civilians on a base in Japanese territory which they were only able to use through Japanese consent. If the Japanese relinquish that consent, they pretty much have to leave. Besides, there are other occasions where a native government has ordered the withdraw of US bases on their lands which the US complied with, just look at Uzbekistan.

I don't have a problem with the Okiniawa incident by itself, it's just that it comes as the latest in a line of incidents where Japan is acting agressively and in many cases counter to US interests and is reciving no consequences whatsoever or even any real criticism from anyone.

Of course in the light of recent events Russia and China are a much bigger threat to the US right now.

 

[Kaiser_Mobius]

I don't have a problem with the Okiniawa incident by itself, it's just that it comes as the latest in a line of incidents where Japan is acting agressively and in many cases counter to US interests and is reciving no consequences whatsoever or even any real criticism from anyone.

I accept your criticism, but I would then have to ask: What would you have me do?

Believe me, I understand those concerns very strongly. IRL Japan would never have been able to get away with anything close to what Japan is doing in this scenario. If this was RL, the Japanese military Junta probably would have been overthrown by the CIA in a coup or been crushed in a military conflict with the PRC, and thats at the very least.

But you have to remember, this is not some hardcore geopolitical simulation where everything is done in the utmost accuracy as to what could happen in this scenario. This is an MDS 1.6 HOI2 AAR. This is being done for the purposes of entertainment and enjoyment, not to examine real life geopolitical consequences of Japanese actions like those being taken in this AAR. If I was to play trying to be absolutely positively 100% realistic, this AAR would be boring as hell. What would I do in that case, just play 8 years of screenshots of my production que and flavour events until WW3 breaks out? Nobody would read this AAR if I was to do that! This is especially so because I have some really big shoes to fill with this AAR project. My last one, In Defense of Freedom, really blew people away, and I do not want to disappoint with this AAR. To see people read and comment, I need to do exciting things, like invading tons of countries and engaging in aggressive military buildups and expansions. If I was to play 100% according to realism, this AAR would be dead in the water before it could even get off the ground.

Now, this does not mean that I will completely throw realism away, just that I will try to explain Japanese actions in ways that I think will satisfy other states in this scenario to the best of my abilities, such as using the whole "war on terrorism" excuse. This also means that I will not be invading states that have very close ties to the USA, like Taiwan or South Korea, until I am actually at war with the USA when the time comes.

I hope that this is a sufficient explanation for a lack of heavy handed US response to Japanese actions.

 

[History_Buff]

I accept your criticism, but I would then have to ask: What would you have me do?

Believe me, I understand those concerns very strongly. IRL Japan would never have been able to get away with anything close to what Japan is doing in this scenario. If this was RL, the Japanese military Junta probably would have been overthrown by the CIA in a coup or been crushed in a military conflict with the PRC, and thats at the very least.

But you have to remember, this is not some hardcore geopolitical simulation where everything is done in the utmost accuracy as to what could happen in this scenario. This is an MDS 1.6 HOI2 AAR. This is being done for the purposes of entertainment and enjoyment, not to examine real life geopolitical consequences of Japanese actions like those being taken in this AAR. If I was to play trying to be absolutely positively 100% realistic, this AAR would be boring as hell. What would I do in that case, just play 8 years of screenshots of my production que and flavour events until WW3 breaks out? Nobody would read this AAR if I was to do that! This is especially so because I have some really big shoes to fill with this AAR project. My last one, In Defense of Freedom, really blew people away, and I do not want to disappoint with this AAR. To see people read and comment, I need to do exciting things, like invading tons of countries and engaging in aggressive military buildups and expansions. If I was to play 100% according to realism, this AAR would be dead in the water before it could even get off the ground.

Now, this does not mean that I will completely throw realism away, just that I will try to explain Japanese actions in ways that I think will satisfy other states in this scenario to the best of my abilities, such as using the whole "war on terrorism" excuse. This also means that I will not be invading states that have very close ties to the USA, like Taiwan or South Korea, until I am actually at war with the USA when the time comes.

I hope that this is a sufficient explanation for a lack of heavy handed US response to Japanese actions.

You also got to remember that the United States might not view Japanese expansion as an entirely bad thing or as entirely against their interest. Japan has been one of their closest allies in the Far East for quite some time and A militarily strong Japan could serve as a counterweight to China, thereby if War does come, the United States could back the Japanese and give them supplies and other such support and watch them do their job for them in China while they lock hors with Russia in Europe. If Japan is a strong nation, they can handle the Far Eastern theatre by themselves and take some of the pressure off of the American military. I think you should have not one, but two World Wars. The First would be WWIII with you, the United States, and Europe on one side, and China, Russia, and the other members of the Shanghai pact on the other. WWIV would then be between you and the United States. I even think I might know what might serve as the flashpoint for WWIV. After WWIII, the United States could ask you to withdraw from the territory that you took and your refusal could lead to the war.

 

[hoi2geek]

Why so concerned? Same old local politico hacks still in their positions at the local and provincial level, national level people co-opted into the Japanese system by supplying their MI-complex and their zaibatsu. It's business as usual, I suspect, only that instead of supplying the Americans and Chinese, it's the Japanese.

This means more Mitsubishi, Subaru and Toyota? HELL YES.

I just really need a explaination of what happens to the Filipino language and to Filipino culture as a whole.

 

[Aliasing]

Stop asking! It doesn't matter since it's a game without cultural annihilation in it. Just let him post in peace

 

[hoi2geek]

Stop asking! It doesn't matter since it's a game without cultural annihilation in it. Just let him post in peace

I know.

I'm just worried about the situation in the Philippines, since I am a Filipino-American.

 

[Aliasing]

Well if your interested it's probably as bad as the Japanese occupation in WW2

 

[Zhuge Liang]

I accept your criticism, but I would then have to ask: What would you have me do?

Believe me, I understand those concerns very strongly. IRL Japan would never have been able to get away with anything close to what Japan is doing in this scenario. If this was RL, the Japanese military Junta probably would have been overthrown by the CIA in a coup or been crushed in a military conflict with the PRC, and thats at the very least.

But you have to remember, this is not some hardcore geopolitical simulation where everything is done in the utmost accuracy as to what could happen in this scenario. This is an MDS 1.6 HOI2 AAR. This is being done for the purposes of entertainment and enjoyment, not to examine real life geopolitical consequences of Japanese actions like those being taken in this AAR. If I was to play trying to be absolutely positively 100% realistic, this AAR would be boring as hell. What would I do in that case, just play 8 years of screenshots of my production que and flavour events until WW3 breaks out? Nobody would read this AAR if I was to do that! This is especially so because I have some really big shoes to fill with this AAR project. My last one, In Defense of Freedom, really blew people away, and I do not want to disappoint with this AAR. To see people read and comment, I need to do exciting things, like invading tons of countries and engaging in aggressive military buildups and expansions. If I was to play 100% according to realism, this AAR would be dead in the water before it could even get off the ground.

Now, this does not mean that I will completely throw realism away, just that I will try to explain Japanese actions in ways that I think will satisfy other states in this scenario to the best of my abilities, such as using the whole "war on terrorism" excuse. This also means that I will not be invading states that have very close ties to the USA, like Taiwan or South Korea, until I am actually at war with the USA when the time comes.

I hope that this is a sufficient explanation for a lack of heavy handed US response to Japanese actions.

I'm not really critcising you or this AAR here and I completely understand that in order for this AAR to function you have to disregard realism to a large extent. I just get pedantic and nitpicky at times and while I agree that this needs to happen for the premise of this AAR to work it is slightly jarring from a realism sense to see Japan having such a consequence-free run of success. It's not really a problem considering the world this AAR takes place in though so I can suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy it.

 

[Ciryandor]

It's a freaking AAR for chrissakes, not some simulation. Let him dwell on the greater geopolitics; we're interested in that. And even I as a full-blooded Filipino staying in GMT+8 know better than to force that issue.

 

[Nathan Madien]

You also got to remember that the United States might not view Japanese expansion as an entirely bad thing or as entirely against their interest. Japan has been one of their closest allies in the Far East for quite some time and A militarily strong Japan could serve as a counterweight to China, thereby if War does come, the United States could back the Japanese and give them supplies and other such support and watch them do their job for them in China while they lock hors with Russia in Europe. If Japan is a strong nation, they can handle the Far Eastern theatre by themselves and take some of the pressure off of the American military. I think you should have not one, but two World Wars. The First would be WWIII with you, the United States, and Europe on one side, and China, Russia, and the other members of the Shanghai pact on the other. WWIV would then be between you and the United States. I even think I might know what might serve as the flashpoint for WWIV. After WWIII, the United States could ask you to withdraw from the territory that you took and your refusal could lead to the war.

Wow...you are planning World War IV already. Talk about long-term planning.

I dare not ask what World War V will look like. It will probably be in 3D, though.

 

[Aliasing]

Or using rocks

 

[Kaiser_Mobius]

RE World Wars: A bit of a spoiler, but if the story i am thinking of pans out the way I want it too, you can probably expect Three world wars in this campaign....

 

[Zhuge Liang]

Intriguing. Wars against Russia+China and the US are a given and I assume that the EU will join in on the US side and suffer accordingly. So who's left to kill that would pose any sort of challenge to Japan? The perfidious and hated Swedes?

 

[Aliasing]

Or an Independent Northumbria

 

[Nathan Madien]

Or an Independent Northumbria

Independent Northumbria would indeed be a threat to Japan...mainly because no one knows where it is. The unknown is dangerous, after all.

 

[Zhuge Liang]

Independent Northumbria would indeed be a threat to Japan...mainly because no one knows where it is. The unknown is dangerous, after all.

It's a quite brilliant strategy- we wait for Japan to conquer the whole world then declare independence and see how long it takes for anyone to notice us. If all goes to plan Japan will be forced to start firebombing its own empire in an attempt to smoke us out.

 

[starchristian]

interesting idea

EDIT: the same with Lichtenstein

EDIT2: 100 posts yeah

 

[Nathan Madien]

It's a quite brilliant strategy- we wait for Japan to conquer the whole world then declare independence and see how long it takes for anyone to notice us. If all goes to plan Japan will be forced to start firebombing its own empire in an attempt to smoke us out.

There's a bit of irony there in regards to Japan and firebombing.

 

[Aliasing]

.....That Irony makes me sad Q.Q

 

[Alfredian]

Interesting AAR. As you say, realism in foreign policy can only go so far as (thankfully) the world is generally quite a peaceful place.

I have not played MDS, so this question may be stupid. What is behind the decision to build quite a few brigade level forces rather than division sized ones? Is it just cost related or do brigades give you some other advantages?