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Wow, your dedication to rebel chasin.... writing this AAR is wonderful. I predict 15 million rebels by the end, if not more.

Also, how many test games do you do before writing the AAR?
 

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The economy is not as bad (as it could be), you've managed to keep inflation down thanks to neighbours' subsidies... Are you going to try to herd some animist zealots down to your Persian provinces? :D

I always forget it is the port that determines if a province is coastal :eek:o

Yes Saturday was wet wasn't it - obviously today after my party it's been fine all day. Shimla Pinks = good choice - did you get to dazzle people with your surprisingly deep knowledge of Leicester's curry houses ;)

Absolutely! :D Mind you, it seems your party was wildest than anything on offer at the Sundae... Fortunately, they had a real ale tent; unfortunately, the ale run out on Sunday afternoon :mad: the alternatives being Fosters at £3.50 or Pimms at £4 :eek:
 

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Ah good old IN France, blobbing like mad. Luckily they are still far away. The last thing you need is another superpower wailing on you.

So the first 100 years are over with some succes. Lets see what the next 100 will bring. Probably some Rebels? ;)
 

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The rain didnt exactly help me renovating my grans new house either, taking a chimney down & making the roof good takes 10x as long in the weather we had saturday!

Excellent AAR by the way, these are the sort of gams i wish i had the patience & skill to play!
 

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anweRU - Interesting, the big question is whether or not they've reformed their governments.

As of 1603, they are still tribal. The Timurids just survived a TSC without losing a single province, while having 14.5 WE.

The two tribal monsters keep coming back to life. The further east I push them, the further east they expand...
 

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FEEDBACK

naggy - I'm almost certain that's tongue in cheek

Krogzar - Glad you like the AAR.

I'm not much good on HttT as I haven't played it. I guess I'd say let your BB fall and let General Winter do the fighting for you. Either that or read naggy's combat tutorial AAR - he's a hell of a lot better at war fighting than I am. I expect you'll just have to wait them out and let time and war exhaustion wear them down. Patience.

wraitii - As I understand it HttT would have Burgundy there instead. Of course Burgundy can be exiled to Siberia :D

help your missionary position.
Thanks for your concern but I'll manage - not quite ready for the little blue helpers :rofl:


Chief Ragusa - Yip the economy is poor, conversions are the answer before Workshops and eventually westernisation. Jerusalem and Mecca are potential goals - if I ever get a good shot at the Mamluks. Ming will turn up eventually - I just hope they go into one of their periodic disintegration phases while I westernise. I don't mind the Ottomans on the border - someone is going to be there and the alternatives are likely just another large European power. I'll take 4 points of RR eventually to get my Centralisation slider in place - I'll just live with it and be even more careful about war exhaustion.

Advisors are a disaster area - I'm only bothering with two at the moment as I can't recruit a third who's any use. Stab is around three years full investment a point - one of the reasons I want to get my conversions going.

GaiusC - Got to agree even by IN standards thats a nasty looking France - holding most of Northern Italy! Ming ain't all that ... yet. Deccan has a big army because Deccan is big - they must be half of India and I'd guess mainly cored.

Mamluks have reformed and that's mainly culture group provinces so I expect them to keep it together pretty well. The Eastern Europeans are useful as buffers although I do want a big bit of Lithuania. My mental stop line is roughly the old Soviet Border.

Tech is bad but westernisation solves most things - I won't be a tech leader but decades of 100 point neighbour bonuses should be helpful. :)

blsteen - No meetings with the French if I can avoid it! Sarai is too vulnerable - I'd be happier if the capital was Samara/Kazan/Bolgar area.

Vesimir - No pies? Someone must have ate them ;) No idea why you can't see them.

Deccan are Sunni! One of those countries that start in India with no right religion provinces - fun to play :D

baabaaloo - Welcome and thanks for the link - it should get an appreciative audience here :)

Keinwyn - If the French attack then I will be relying on the winter.

Enewald - Let's hope that is true!

sprites - True the Centralisation will help in many ways but I'll probably reverse at least some of it after I westernise.

The Arch Mede - There's a lot of good points there. Interesting subtle effect of National Conscripts - pretty much proves that the quick/easy answer isn't as obvious as it might seem.

You make a very strong case for using vassals and it may well get a try out if I find myself overwhelmed by Westerners at some point.

sprites - Better tech vassals sound promising - I may have a plan forming

Malurous - I think ultimately Deccan and the Mamluks will provide natural borders unless they implode.

mayorqw - Yip :)

morningSIDEr - How can i put this - I'm not actually keen on war with France they'll win :(

Lord Strange - Four test games - one as a tribal Horde through Westernisation; a couple more just playing around and one as Nogai through to 1821 where I reformed - mainly to get a feel for a high tech mongol state.

aldriq - I'm actually disappointed about my inflation level - sign of bad play as it wasn't used to gain any long term advantage just to keep afloat :mad:

Persia is a bit far for the pagans and I'm not having much luck herding in a desired direction. If kebzero's reading any tips on getting zealots to move to the province you want? For those of you who aren't aware kebzero is the expert on manipulating pagan zealots for cultural engineering - read his AARs

Fosters at £3.50 isn't too bad - it's usually about £3.10 - £3.20 at a decent bar in town.

Donfodio - I'm going with more rebels as well

synyster31 - Glad you like the AAR - it is all about patience. I play decades on slowest and pause a lot - it does make a difference.

anweRU - that just sounds nasty - keep pushing eventually they'll fall off the edge ;)


 

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Chapter Twenty Six

1500 starts quietly with only a free slider move to Quality via event occurring in the Horde. Castile annexes Creek and Cleves goes Protestant to start the Reformation. By October war exhaustion is down to 2.16 while Lithuania is being knocked about by Poland – four provinces occupied and war exhaustion near 11.

War!

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Lithuania’s allies have no land access to the Horde. The Ottomans are spamming warnings again and I get one 28 days after DOWing Lithuania :D

Lithuania offers peace, surrendering their cores on my territory on the 25th November. Rejected of course but I’ve clearly got my timing right.

Then again let’s hope timing isn’t everything…

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At 2.14 war exhaustion and full stability this isn’t as bad as previous TSCs.

The TSC – 5th December 1500

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Obviously most of my troops are in Lithuania but the Caucasus garrison is still in position.

The South

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The North and the War

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I’ve grabbed unfortified Poltava and stormed both Kiev and Polotsk. I’m going to see if I can make a few more gains over the winter ideally before Lithuania makes peace with Poland. Muscovite nationalists rise in Vologda days later.

The new Khan

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Deep joy, I’m back in bad boy territory again but at least I’ll have some money and with an Admin 7 Khan I might even manage a few conversions. The Ottomans have gone after OPM Naxos so I’m safe on that flank for a while.

January 1501 brings a Muscovite nationalist revolt in Ustyug.

Poland peaces out Alliance leader Austria for the release of Styria – my war with Lithuania just got trickier. Cutting and running is looking more attractive.

March sees more Muscovite rebels in Zavolochye. The Pretender gains support with revolts in Kazan in May and Sarai itself in June.

I bribe Brandenburg and Mecklenburg out of the war in July, 25 ducats each was sufficient. War score leaps from 25 to 33. I want peace soon as I need to march some troops north against the Muscovites.

Lugansk also rises for the Pretender in August as does Pensa three months later. Uralic patriots rise in North Ufa in September and again in October.

Nine months into the TSC most of my troops are fighting rebels in the fringes of Lithuania. I’ve 36 war score – further gains are looking time consuming. Progress by the Caucasian army has been unimpressive I’ve only finished a couple of rebel armies.

Novgorod send a warning in November – rather less of a concern than the Ottomans!

December sees a big wave of rebellions, 15000 Ukrainian nationalists in occupied Kiev, 5000 Moldovans in Budjak, and another 15000 supporters of the Pretender split between Uralsk and Cherson.

I need a kill strike on the Pretender, his original army in Viatka is only 4000 strong although getting to it means fighting through rebels whatever route I take.

The North - January 1502

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The South - January 1502

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I take Polesia straight after New Year so go for peace with a 40% war score.

Peace with Lithuania – January 1502

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A single province and enough money to get through the TSC without minting. The lack of resistance means my war exhaustion has actually fallen – to 1.47!

Orthodox zealots rise in Kharkov at the start of February.

I finally sneak a cavalry strike group through in April and run down the Pretender in the first few days of the first battle. Now I just need to start clearing house…

Mid May 1502 sees another big wave of uprisings. There are 7000 Georgian nationalists in Georgia, 8000 Uralic patriots in Ufa, 3000 Siberian nationalists in far flung Tara and a new Pretender with a pitiful 2000 strong army in Idnakar.

June brings a second Uralic revolt in Ufa, adding the two rebel armies from now fallen North Ufa there are 24,000 rebels camped there. One for attrition to strike the first blow! It's well over a year later before I fight these guys - the 24 regiment stack was barely 9000 strong by that time. There are more Muscovite revolts in Tula, Ryazan and Zavolochye.

Samara rises for the Pretender in August. I’m in the usual late TSC phase now where it feels like things are getting away from me. However, there are only a few months with the extra revolt risk and then it’ll all calm down. The Russian lands are swarming with Muscovite rebels, my Persian provinces have fallen and the Uralic stack looks like a hard fight. I’ve 15000 Ukrainian nationalists from Kiev rampaging through the western borderlands and I’m still fighting Greeks and Georgians in the Caucasian mountains.

Ukrainian nationalists rise in Poltava in August but I also kill the second Pretender that month.

A third pretender appears in October, this time in Voronezh with 7000 followers.

Novgorod declares War – December 1502

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I’ve only a month to go to the end of the TSC. A couple of things to notice here, one I’ve no war exhaustion and two I’ve a border with Sweden after they annexed Pskov.

The South – January 1503

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This is mainly under control. Most of the Persian nationalists have got themselves killed over-spilling into Iraq.

The Russian Lands – January 1503

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This is less under control!

As May starts Persia sends a warning. The TSC’s aftermath continues but the overall picture is improving. The southern sector is very nearly rebel free while sieges have been established in several of the Russian provinces and some of the smaller armies beaten.

Persia declares War – July 1503

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Well let’s hope they make themselves useful and clear some of my rebel held provinces for me. You can see my main southern force finishing off the last rebels in the south. Persia has about 22000 men under arms – I have 14000 in theatre.

Vyazma has a Muscovite revolt in August. Ak K nationalists pick an awkward time to rebel, 9000 rising in Azerbaijan in November even as I’m trying to drive back the first Persian push.

England declares War – February 1504

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I’m joined by the Ottomans who had warned the English. The rest of the enemy alliance is Scotland (a vassal), Aragon and Austria.

Moscow revolts mid-May – 18000 nationalists.

War weary Austria offers white peace in September which I accept while I’ve stormed Novgorod and white peace them – Novgorod has no money at all.

Unfortified Poltava is lost to another Ukrainian revolt towards the end of the year – at least this lot wander off into Lithuanian territory.

Peace with Aragon – January 1505

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The Ottomans get a province for their troubles and I get the cash. The Green provinces are all Ottoman territory. I’m keen to focus the Ottomans on the Mediterranean rather than looking north…

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Shortly after this battle Persia offers a white peace despite holding two of my provinces. The battles are proving disastrous for them – they lack worthwhile leaders. I’m heading the same way having got through so many Generals recently my military tradition is down to barely 30.

Azerbaijan revolts again in May the 9000 rebels tearing into 4000 Persian besiegers.

Hungary declares War – October 1505

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Another country warned by the Ottomans. I take it all back; they’re a fine upstanding group of people. I have got a land border with Sweden.

I had some success with missionaries, Kharkov and Tambow converted although I lost a missionary in Ryazan to rebels.



Rebel Count = 430 (+44)
Rebels = 2,287,000 (+295,000)



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Mamluks have reformed
Gasp, I missed this bit of info.
Annoying, might annoying, on one hand. On the other, as I implied, it makes a good counterweight against Ottomans.


The TSC – 5th December 1500
As feared, the Moscow rebellion is massive. Thankfully, there's far less uncored provinces nowadays :)


I’ve a border with Sweden after they annexed Pskov.
Not cool...


Good luck with the uninterrupted series of DOWs, until the next TSC :wacko:
You'll probably begin the next crisis with more WE than this one, but I expect things will still be under control - and with luck, the next ruler will have better stats, BB-wise.
 

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At least the TSC was more manageable this time. Hopefully it'll continue to become less of a threat as the Horde gets more cores.
 

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If I remember correctly, kebzero said rebels prefer to retreat into empty provinces, so you should have 1k troops (or more, if there is some revolt risk, of course) in the adjacent provinces you don't want them to go to when you dislodge them from their province.

Very nice AAR, and impressive patience!
 
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This time rebellions in the north seemed a lot worse. I guess the Muscovy rebel factory has overtaken the Caucasus. Why didn't you take one province (or vassalise) from Novgorod if you already had a border with Sweden anyway?
 

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I don't think your inflation is a sign of bad play (except perhaps the lack of vassals :D) but rather that you can't control being over the BB limit. If you had been luckier with the MIL, I don't think it would have happened (and if you had been unluckier I think you would have imploded).

The negative BB limit is a major reason for your long stab recovery time. How long it takes to recover from your westernisation stab hits will be greatly affected by whether you have the luck to have a competent MIL monarch at the time.

Pushing shamanist zealots around is done by having troops on every province except the one you want them to retreat to, and then forcing them to retreat. Use whatever troops are best at causing morale loss rather than kills for the purpose because they leave the most zealots alive to retreat. I got mine as far as the main russian area, but then the vassals kept killing them as soon as they turned up in a province neighbouring them. Vassals are quite good at finishing off weakened rebels next door to them, even those you might want them to leave alone.
 

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I don't know if I like helping out one of your biggest potential threats. If it keeps them away from you, though, it might be worth it.
 

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A new age of Turkish-Tartar co-operation? May it last for a thousand years!

I preferred it when the Tatars were our vassals ;). The Girays (ruling family of the Crimean Tatars) were rumored to be in line for the Ottoman throne, should the Osmanli line fail.

This last TSC seems anti-climactic. I hope the Ottomans have enough troops, money, and little WE, so they can help you out.
 

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Well, I’ve spent the last two nights reading through this... at least the parts I missed over the last nearly three weeks.

So here’s the thing...

- Totally not responsible for the Yaroslavl rebels.

- I might be rooting for the rebels ;)

- And much to my chagrin, I happen to be a much better poker player when inebriated. Anyway, WSOP here I come. :cool:
 

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This is starting to be too easy for you :p

( Fyi, in HTTT it's actually pretty much one of these three options for the "French Blob":
-France survives, blobs ( but is not the IN blob, less powerful and less fast )
-Burgundy conquers ( with Aragon/Castille taking the south ), blobs
-England conquers, is unstoppable. )