Rebels too aggressive and strong?

[ThePirateMan]

In my Ottoman game I am finding that rebel movements (mostly nationalist/patriotic - Egyptians, Iraqis, Tunisians, etc.) continue to grow and rebel even when I have something like 2-3 stability, no war exhaustion, everyone is generally having a good time, no provincial unrest and many many years after I've conquered their provinces.

And there are also very silly situations, like when I conquered part of the upper Nile. Their armies were butchered with ease by my gunpowder troops, but then later when I have one of these rebellions in the newly conquered area, the armies are ten times bigger than anything the kingdom ever offered and practically as big a threat as Austrian armies.

I'm all for internal unrest being something that a player should be concerned about, but this seems a bit ridiculous. It's not like it's the 1800s.

Any thoughts, shared or opposite experiences?

 

[Illianor123]

The new rebel system is far superior to the previous system of random revolts.

Unless you get an event causing rebels, then you won't get rebels if you have no unrest so I don't know what you are talking about. You can check the progress of rebellions and the unrest in the management tab (wherever the WE and stab buttons are).

 

[ThePirateMan]

You do get revolts with negative national unrest.

 

[anomalacaris]

You do get revolts with negative national unrest.

:blink:
Any screenshot?
AFAIK revolt can occur in provinces with negative unrest, but these provinces do not contribute to the progress bar.

Anyway if you are having too much trouble with rebels, just increase autonomy, or don't conquer too many same culture provinces at once, or use vassals.

 

[Illianor123]

You do get revolts with negative national unrest.

National unrest is different to provincial unrest.

The negative national unrest does not account for non culture, non religion, nationalism provinces.

 

[ThePirateMan]

It seems to have been a bit confused between provincial and national unrest here. I messed up a bit with saying that there was no provincial unrest, it's more that there's virtually no provincial unrest.

But actually you're right
Small bits of provincial unrest (like 0.5-1.5%) in 1-3 provinces out of most of the time many more provinces seem to be what is causing the revolts. The chances are very low but I guess I'm unlucky.

Thanks for the advice anom but I'm not having problems with them, they just seem overtuned. Especially with things like the rebellions being far far stronger than the countries themselves.

 

[Denkt]

Often 2 things lead to revolts: Decreasing autonomy and nationalism.
Best way then to avoid rebels is to spread your unrest to multiple rebel groups because that way noone will revolt and if somebody do it will only be few stacks.