Rebellions are broken

[seriously pissed]

They pay you taxes and give you levies. You should've put some of those 22 vassals under a king or duke beforehand

Well enjoy the crazy civil wars while you can because my biggest issue with the CK series is that it's too easy and that I never have to fight big dangerous wars. I actually wish the game would punch me in the face and put me on the backfoot because it would be great for the story which is what I'm playing for.

I hope it goes like that. Playing Kingdom Come Delivence was like “this is bs, this is bs, this is… is pretty great “

 

[seriously pissed]

They pay you taxes and give you levies. You should've put some of those 22 vassals under a king or duke beforehand

I understand the levies and taxes. Also my domains are 7/7. I’ve assigned my vassals to their appropriate liege.

 

[DebbieElla]

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[gamerk2]

I have done these things . I’ve got 5 of 6 men at arms regiments at 500 troops each and 50 onagers. I’ve arranged marriage with the top alliances for everyone of my heirs. Where are the 33 other vassals 100% troops since that’s how the rebels get to play. Obligated contact what a crock since rebels don’t have to play by those rules. Less than half of than have twice as many troops as I get as an united empire with content vassals.

The other vassals are not obligated to help you beyond providing the set number of levees as required by their vassal contracts. So your forces total the troops under your own command plus some percentage of your remaining vassals levees.

By contrast, the rebelling faction gets all the troops under their control, plus a set percentage of their vassals levees.

Since about half your vassals are rebelling, I'd expect you to be a dog in total forces.

You mentioned you have Absolute Crown Aurhority; you shouldn't be shocked all your Vassals want to be free of you given the negative modifier.

 

[seriously pissed]

The other vassals are not obliged to help me. What? There is a rebellion. You are for a rebellion or against it. There is no middle ground. Also you’re telling me that these kings vassals, all 100% of them are giving troops to the rebels. How come half of their vassals refuse to fight?

 

[seriously pissed]

Don’t refuse to fight, like my vassals apparently

 

[prismaticmarcus]

Don’t refuse to fight, like my vassals apparently

what part of this don't you understand? it's not a smartaleck question.

On one side you have 22 characters using their personal MMA, own levies and tax levies. On the other you have 1 character doing the same.

once you get to a certain size, the game is pretty much about managing vassals.

 

[seriously pissed]

what part of this don't you understand? it's not a smartaleck question.

The part where it’s fair that they get to use 100% of their troops for every one of the 22 rebel vassals and I get to not use 100% of the 33 that stayed loyal. What don’t you get?

 

[Dread Og]

The part where it’s fair that they get to use 100% of their troops for every one of the 22 rebel vassals and I get to not use 100% of the 33 that stayed loyal. What don’t you get?

Because they are your vassals and you are their liege. They have obligations and you have obligations, but you don't fully control them. You think you "own" them when it's feudal obligations and nominal control.

Also none of the advice seems to be registering. You should never be fighting 22 vassals like that. Out of the 22 vassals, how many are Counts and Dukes? While I don't like consolidating unless I have to, it sounds like you should have granted them as vassals to your allied King vassals since you told me all of your top vassals are allied. Alllied vassals can't join factions and Counts and Dukes that you grant as vassals to them can no longer join factions against you because they are under another liege.

 

[seriously pissed]

Do these rebel kings not have vassals? Everyone of their vassals are all on board for their rebellion. Every last one?

 

[Dread Og]

Do these rebel kings not have vassals? Everyone of their vassals are all on board for their rebellion. Every last one?

Nope vassals of vassals are not part of the rebellion. The Kings are only raising levies from their vassals the same way you are. You also told me you are allying all of your top vassals so that means the Kings, correct? I'm saying grant Counts and Dukes from the faction tab (before they actually revolt) as vassals to your allied King vassals. I'm not saying this is optimal but since you are having trouble with all of these vassals then consolidating is probably a good idea until you pick up on other things you can do to manage them.

 

[seriously pissed]

I have 7/7 domains. I’ve given any vassal to their legitimate lieges per the games tip screen. I’m not pissed about the irebellion. I’m pissed about the fact that less than half my vassals can double my troop total when my empires together at peace

 

[seriously pissed]

I started off as the independent county of korodafan( darfur Africa) 867. It’s 1162 and I have 42 different houses

 

[Aregodas]

Seeing your new posts today it kinda seems absolutely irrelevant to keep replying. The questions you have yet again posted today were the same as yesterday and were answered yesterday, but it seems you didn't read them fully or whilst paying attention.
I don't think anyone should bother to explain once again what has already been explained in detail by several people. Re-read the thread.

 

[Dread Og]

I’ve given any vassal to their legitimate lieges per the games tip screen.

That's not what I'm talking about man. You can grant any vassal to any vassal of a higher rank by right clicking on the vassal and then clicking on grant vassal. You can then click on the vassal that you want to grant on the map or select him from a list of vassals.

I’m pissed about the fact that less than half my vassals can double my troop total when my empires together at peace

Because they are still functioning as semi-independent realms outside of the nominal control you have over them. What you raise as your Imperial army by calling on their feudal obligations is a small amount of their strength. Just like the Holy Roman Empire used to raise tiny armies but the total number of soldiers in the HRE would have been in the tens of thousands, the Emperor couldn't actually raise that many.

If your vassals allied to each other and attacked a foreign country then they would raise the same number of troops that they are attacking you with. They actually have that many and it's not some "cheap" thing the game is doing to you because of the Civil War. You're also really caught up on the troop numbers but my Men-at-Arms would crush your 30k rebels but that's a whole other facet of the game that isn't even necessary because first you should be stopping 22 vassals from rebelling in the first place.

 

[seriously pissed]

I was res

Seeing your new posts today it kinda seems absolutely irrelevant to keep replying. The questions you have yet again posted today were the same as yesterday and were answered yesterday, but it seems you didn't read them fully or whilst paying attention.
I don't think anyone should bother to explain once again what has already been explained in detail by several people. Re-read the thread.

I was responding to others, I didn’t post another question. And you didn’t explain anything. I have 33 vassals who chose not to rebel, therefore they chose that my side was their better option. They chose to pick a side, yet the only side that gets to use 100% of their troops is the rebels.

 

[seriously pissed]

Xbox cloud is what I have, wish I could right click

 

[seriously pissed]

I understand the men at arms thing. My problem is I own 85-90 percent of Africa so the rebellion is spread in random areas and my rebels, many of them at least, have men at arms too

 

[Aregodas]

I was res

I was responding to others, I didn’t post another question. And you didn’t explain anything. I have 33 vassals who chose not to rebel, therefore they chose that my side was their better option. They chose to pick a side, yet the only side that gets to use 100% of their troops is the rebels.

No?

Chose your side? More like they remained out of the rebellion, that does not mean they chose your side. Importantly that was pretty much how things were back then. Swearing an oath of fealty isn't the same as making an all-in in a poker match.

Two things I can mention without knowing the details of your game.
Firstly, which is quite obvious, is that equalizing vassals as if one vassal should be equal to another one is a plain misconception. You can have 3 vassals whose power is much greater than another 20 combined, and that is not game breaking, that's how the game works.
Secondly, when you declare a war, your vassals are not declaring it with you. That is to say, you are depending on your MAA and the levies from your personal demesne and the vassal taxes. You are not mobilizing your entire realm and the force of all your vassals with you.
When they declare war on you, the same applies.

So why are those 22 vassals having a bigger army than your character? Because the correct comparison is between these 22 who are personally attacking you and YOUR character, not you AND the other vassals who didn't rebel.
On one side you have 22 characters using their personal MMA, own levies and tax levies. On the other you have 1 character doing the same.
Why should your side be bigger than theirs?

As I said, won't bother explaining again.

 

[seriously pissed]

So when theses kings rebelling against me declare war according to you “ their vassals are not declaring it with them”. According to you