3 king vs 6 loyal kings. 22 rebel vassals vs 33 loyal vassals and they out number me 3 to 1. No no that’s just stupidity.
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Rebellions are broken
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That's what people always say but I genuinely don't think you are aware of all of the options at your disposal. If you follow this list and actually understand what all of your options are I guarantee those factions wouldn't fire in the first place:
1. Marry your Aunts, nieces, sisters, daughters, brothers, sons, and maybe even your own mother, and all sorts of combinations to create alliances with vassals. Also be aware that many can be renegotiated on succession (the drop down menu won't tell you). I click on nieces, sisters, etc. who are married to vassals (or close enough relatives) and then 'renegotiate' which they typically do after a month or however long it takes for your strength to be properly calculated. It's also OK to arrange betrothals and break them later.
2. Wife on Court Politics. Chancellor on Domestic Affairs.
3. Host a feast for immediate +20 opinion boost and maybe more from events related to the feast. Maybe go on pilgrimage (Muslims get a trait for +5 opinion and a temporary trait for +10 opinion for the Hajj so that's +15 total opinion).
4. Some bribes if you have high diplomacy and the gold.
5. Grant rebellious vassals to more loyal vassals
6. Create a higher title in an area with lots of rebellious vassals and grant it to a loyal vassal
7. Always be swaying rebellious vassals (though this one takes time).
If you're still not convinced, are we allowed to upload save games here? If you give me your game like 6 months before the faction fires I will be able to get you out of it, or tell you what's really wrong. I used to try and be less aggressive about this but I've been playing CK for a long time and I can assure you factions and civil wars shouldn't be a thing unless you choose to let them fire so you can imprison vassals and redistribute titles.
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You may already have, but it's still worth asking. Have you checked that the rebels aren't hiring mercenaries on mass? AI tends to do so, even to the point of massive bankruptcy once the war is done, Popes are particularly fond of mercenary hiring.
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Are you new to the game? Nothing wrong with that, but I think that's your problem. You're getting very frustrated over something, but you're not even looking at the issue the right way. You're way off. No need to keep telling us the numbers, because you're not even getting the basics of your problem right.
Maybe change your forum name and come back and people would actually want to help/explain things to you rather than just roll their eyes reading your posts?
Seriously.
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1. Yes allows marry to top vassals
2. Anytime I have money
3. Try to bribe/ befriend/ sway every chance I get
4. Grant vassals to who they belong according to the tip screen
5. Create as many titles under emperor as I can afford. ( I have partition)
Again my main problem is why is it that 22 rebels get to use 100% of their troops why the 33 loyal to me only have to give their obligated %. It’s a civil war, the 33 choose my side so the rules should be the same for both sides. If I had the 22 and they the 33 I would understand and not be pissed, but they pull 30000 troops out of thin air.
2. Anytime I have money
3. Try to bribe/ befriend/ sway every chance I get
4. Grant vassals to who they belong according to the tip screen
5. Create as many titles under emperor as I can afford. ( I have partition)
Again my main problem is why is it that 22 rebels get to use 100% of their troops why the 33 loyal to me only have to give their obligated %. It’s a civil war, the 33 choose my side so the rules should be the same for both sides. If I had the 22 and they the 33 I would understand and not be pissed, but they pull 30000 troops out of thin air.
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And if the numbers don’t matter why are there numbers?
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Chose your side? More like they remained out of the rebellion, that does not mean they chose your side. Importantly that was pretty much how things were back then. Swearing an oath of fealty isn't the same as making an all-in in a poker match.
Two things I can mention without knowing the details of your game.
Firstly, which is quite obvious, is that equalizing vassals as if one vassal should be equal to another one is a plain misconception. You can have 3 vassals whose power is much greater than another 20 combined, and that is not game breaking, that's how the game works.
Secondly, when you declare a war, your vassals are not declaring it with you. That is to say, you are depending on your MAA and the levies from your personal demesne and the vassal taxes. You are not mobilizing your entire realm and the force of all your vassals with you.
When they declare war on you, the same applies.
So why are those 22 vassals having a bigger army than your character? Because the correct comparison is between these 22 who are personally attacking you and YOUR character, not you AND the other vassals who didn't rebel.
On one side you have 22 characters using their personal MMA, own levies and tax levies. On the other you have 1 character doing the same.
Why should your side be bigger than theirs?
Two things I can mention without knowing the details of your game.
Firstly, which is quite obvious, is that equalizing vassals as if one vassal should be equal to another one is a plain misconception. You can have 3 vassals whose power is much greater than another 20 combined, and that is not game breaking, that's how the game works.
Secondly, when you declare a war, your vassals are not declaring it with you. That is to say, you are depending on your MAA and the levies from your personal demesne and the vassal taxes. You are not mobilizing your entire realm and the force of all your vassals with you.
When they declare war on you, the same applies.
So why are those 22 vassals having a bigger army than your character? Because the correct comparison is between these 22 who are personally attacking you and YOUR character, not you AND the other vassals who didn't rebel.
On one side you have 22 characters using their personal MMA, own levies and tax levies. On the other you have 1 character doing the same.
Why should your side be bigger than theirs?
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OK so you mean you are arranging the relatives that I mentioned in my earlier post in marriages (or betrothals) to your top vassals? Aunts, Nieces can be married directly to a ruler for an alliance. If you arranged a sister to the eldest son of a vassal then that becomes an Aunt-Ruler marriage in the next generation which can be be renegotiated. If you arranged a daughter to any son of a vassal in the next generation that becomes a sister still married to that son or if the vassal died then it's a sister married to a brother of the current vassal, both of which can be renegotiated. Children and Siblings can be married directly to rulers or to the children and siblings of the ruler (any combination). I might be stating the obvious here but I just know that I play entire games with hundreds of vassals and don't face civil wars so you're missing something here.
You can grant any vassal to any vassal that is of higher rank than them. This means you can pull any Duke or Count vassal out of a faction every single time if it's really that dire. I rarely find myself having to do this or wanting to do this but it is an option that you can employ to 100% kill a faction (assuming that you are allied to your King vassals like you say).
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Apparently there are no imperial powers since 33 non rebellious troops aren’t obligated to do anything to defend their liege who routinely helps defend them
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Look, vassals CAN be an issue. That is the whole point of the game. The gameplay experience comes from learning how to deal with them by either using friendly methods, deadly methods or a combination of the two.
You won't get any better at understanding how these in-game mechanics work by venting on the forum. Incidentally, venting in anger won't make other players willing to help you mate. Keep a cool head. Venting is okey, the anger.... not so much. Wallowing in your frustration won't get you places, either in game or life. Keep a cool head.
You won't get any better at understanding how these in-game mechanics work by venting on the forum. Incidentally, venting in anger won't make other players willing to help you mate. Keep a cool head. Venting is okey, the anger.... not so much. Wallowing in your frustration won't get you places, either in game or life. Keep a cool head.
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I know aregodas I was just really enjoying the game until this point. I suspect some of my problem could be the Xbox bugs and my inexperience. I’m going to end this thread. Thank you all for trying to help, I’m sorry if I upset anyone.
Nah, it's cool, I don't belive anybody got upset. Hopefully we managed to offer at least some insight.
Maybe you may want to start smaller. Learn how to keep an entire realm stable, despite the ocassional revolt. Then a larger realm. Once you can do that with ease, go for the Empire. Then two empires. Then more and more. Bit by bit.
You'll see how in no time you'll also be asking Paradox to increase the difficulty of the game xd
Maybe you may want to start smaller. Learn how to keep an entire realm stable, despite the ocassional revolt. Then a larger realm. Once you can do that with ease, go for the Empire. Then two empires. Then more and more. Bit by bit.
You'll see how in no time you'll also be asking Paradox to increase the difficulty of the game xd
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Well enjoy the crazy civil wars while you can because my biggest issue with the CK series is that it's too easy and that I never have to fight big dangerous wars. I actually wish the game would punch me in the face and put me on the backfoot because it would be great for the story which is what I'm playing for.
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They pay you taxes and give you levies. You should've put some of those 22 vassals under a king or duke beforehand
Restrict yourself to only revoking territory from a family if they have no males left, that way your other sons will eat into your demense all the time
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