Reapers Due - Merovingian Restoration?

[Rags17]

Did I miss something? Is it now possible to change Dynasties without cheating?

I was thinking of marrying into the family somehow, say by contriving to play as a female then getting married into the family so that you end up as a Merovingian.

Contrived and hard to do, but then again so is getting Theuderic on the throne and it looks like that has already been accomplished at least once !

 

[Duarte]

I was thinking of marrying into the family somehow, say by contriving to play as a female then getting married into the family so that you end up as a Merovingian.

Contrived and hard to do, but then again so is getting Theuderic on the throne and it looks like that has already been accomplished at least once !

Doesn't that result in a Gmae Over.

 

[Tom013]

I was thinking of marrying into the family somehow, say by contriving to play as a female then getting married into the family so that you end up as a Merovingian.

Contrived and hard to do, but then again so is getting Theuderic on the throne and it looks like that has already been accomplished at least once !

Doesn't that result in a Gmae Over.

Yes, a non-dynastic heir ends your game. There is no in-game way to switch dynasties. In non-ironman, you could just load back up as the new ruler, but you could do that any time if that were your thing.

 

[Thure]

Nope; it appears that there's only the two previous Theoderics and not a single Thierry.

And after a very cursory look at Wikipedia, it seems like the first two Theoderics just aren't in the history.

Actually... NO Merovingian should be in the history file for West Francia.
Reason: The Merovingians were not count by French Regnal Numbering. The regnal numbering of France started with the Carolingians. Every Therry who would became king in France would have been Therry I.
We hat Clothaire III and Clovis IV as Merovingian ruler. Clothaire and Clovis = Lothair and Louis. But French uses Louis I the Pious and Lothair of France. The Merovingians were not counted. There is NO reason why the French would accept any Merovingian in their regnal numbering.

 

[Gunnarr]

For the sake of fun, the monk trait could be removed along with his claims on the kingdoms allowing him to be given titles normally, after all we now next to nothing about his life just because he was sent to a monastery does not mean he became a monk.

What would be the logical thing to do though? Do you really think they let him run off and go have kids? He was probably kept there all his life or died.

 

[Captain Frakas]

And after a very cursory look at Wikipedia, it seems like the first two Theoderics just aren't in the history.

Thierry the First, son of Clovis, was king of Metz and Orléans (Metz could arguablly be related to Austrasia, but Orléans would not with Neustria as the kingdom of Paris have quite better claims to be so).
Thierry the Second, son of Childebert II, was king of Austrasia and Burgundy,
Thierry the Third, son of Clovis II, was king of all Franks.
Thierry the Fourth, son of Dagobert III, was king of all Franks

So, Thierry, son of Childéric III, could only be the third king of Neustria/West Francia.

The game is not able to keep a same numbering for distinct kingdoms (which might be useful for Spanish realms). Anyway, numbering kings is more a things of historians. No one would say Thierry the Fith when talking about or talking to the current king. One would simply say Thierry.

 

[Duarte]

What would be the logical thing to do though? Do you really think they let him run off and go have kids? He was probably kept there all his life or died.

I never said he was not incarcerated, secondly that in it's self is not impossible since he would literally no longer have a claim on anything he could have been perceived has a non treat, plus whit all the anti Merovingian propaganda going about none would be particularly caring about his plight, so while a long shot it is still a possibility.

 

[SovereignGrave]

Actually... NO Merovingian should be in the history file for West Francia.
Reason: The Merovingians were not count by French Regnal Numbering. The regnal numbering of France started with the Carolingians. Every Therry who would became king in France would have been Therry I.
We hat Clothaire III and Clovis IV as Merovingian ruler. Clothaire and Clovis = Lothair and Louis. But French uses Louis I the Pious and Lothair of France. The Merovingians were not counted. There is NO reason why the French would accept any Merovingian in their regnal numbering.

Thierry the First, son of Clovis, was king of Metz and Orléans (Metz could arguablly be related to Austrasia, but Orléans would not with Neustria as the kingdom of Paris have quite better claims to be so).
Thierry the Second, son of Childebert II, was king of Austrasia and Burgundy,
Thierry the Third, son of Clovis II, was king of all Franks.
Thierry the Fourth, son of Dagobert III, was king of all Franks

So, Thierry, son of Childéric III, could only be the third king of Neustria/West Francia.

The game is not able to keep a same numbering for distinct kingdoms (which might be useful for Spanish realms). Anyway, numbering kings is more a things of historians. No one would say Thierry the Fith when talking about or talking to the current king. One would simply say Thierry.

Wait, so then why are the two Theoderics known as the III and IV in real life? And I don't think it would be too far fetched to think that if there was a Merovingian restoration, that the Merovingian Kings would be end up being included in the numbering.

 

[Captain Frakas]

Wait, so then why are the two Theoderics known as the III and IV in real life? And I don't think it would be too far fetched to think that if there was a Merovingian restoration, that the Merovingian Kings would be end up being included in the numbering.

Historians number all Merovingian kings regardless of the kingdom they ruled, just like they number Spanish kings regardless of their kingdom... But Crusader Kings number kings by kingdoms and do not offer the option for some titles to be numbered by cultural communities. In CK, you couldn't have a character that never was king of one said kingdom let his name count for numbering rulers of this said kingdom.

 

[ogarrr]

you can copy the history of one title over to another, it's pretty easy.
The command would be:

k_france = {
    copy_title_history = k_austrasia #or some other merovingian kingdom
}

 

[LeSingeAffame]

Did I miss something? Is it now possible to change Dynasties without cheating?

It was always possible when not playing Ironman. You just choose a different character when loading your savegame.

I don't know if this has been patched, but you can load your game after a game over and resume your game with the next dynasty

 

[kvk]

Does Ironman still work with that?

 

[LeSingeAffame]

I think it does, if, of course, it has not been patched.

 

[abauer2]

Here I am, minding my own business in the far north of Scandinavia, playing a nice slow game hoping to be a nice prosperous realm and possibly converting to EUIV, and lo and behold, Theodoric pops up as King of Middle Francia.

Karl never became Magnus. Died of stress early after Carloman died, son took thrones, and then a claim was pressed for Theodoric. The Merovingians rise again!

 

[Rags17]

Here I am, minding my own business in the far north of Scandinavia, playing a nice slow game hoping to be a nice prosperous realm and possibly converting to EUIV, and lo and behold, Theodoric pops up as King of Middle Francia.

Karl never became Magnus. Died of stress early after Carloman died, son took thrones, and then a claim was pressed for Theodoric. The Merovingians rise again!

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So now I have seen a Merovingian Restoration via player intrigue (a player played as Karl's spymaster) and now by AI intrigue.

Man I love this game !

 

[stoneroots]

It's a great challenge.

 

[rbc1989]

If anyone is having trouble removing his monk trait just give him a bishopric and it automatically gets rid of the trait. After that just revoke the bishopric and he will be free to marry.