Reality Check on a Merchant Empire Plan

[jwalche]

So I started as a Khazaria's vassal khan, doing my initial 10 years expansion. No I didn't screw it up yet, because I will grant independence to most of my counties before becoming a merchant republic.

Problem with the horde is that, it doesn't take a lot of them to steamroll everyone.

The trick is asking your vassal khans to help you, because they have event troops from "minor" clan revolts.

While at it, let me show you a little neat trick. Giving a county to your courtier under nomadic government.

First, you need to own a county with a barony to grant. Then I will use a magic to make that the county's capital.

Then, you give that county to your vassal khan. The baron will be transferred to the vassal khan automatically. It has to be this way. You can't just transfer the baron.
After that, I imprisoned my khan for 98% chance. Look he is still happy because I gave him many titles.

While he is imprisoned, I transferred two more vassals. One is a ducal vassal. The other one I executed after the transfer. Now my khan has 1. A ducal vassal. 2. A barony title.

The final step is absorbing his clan. The nomadic khan became a feudal khan. And the baron became a count.

Why all the hassle you might wonder. The baron is actually the heir of Bulgaria. Now that he is a count, I can give him a titular kingdom title. I am hopping that his father would die soon and he can inherit Bulgaria and still remain as my vassal.

A kingdom for my dear uncle-in-law (maternally married to my aunt). ... well biologically, my even dearer brother-in-law. Actually I am a little brother of my father. Make sense?

 

[DB42]

You're some kind of evil genius.

 

[Karlington]

You're some kind of evil genius.

He is. @jwalche to me is kinda like the TV series Hannibal. While his actions are evil and deplorable, he is marvelously entertaining to watch/read.

 

[Tryvenyal]

He is. @jwalche to me is kinda like the TV series Hannibal. While his actions are evil and deplorable, he is marvelously entertaining to watch/read.

I can only agree. I find a thread. Interesting topic. Start reading. Exploit exploit... Check OT. "Ah, it´s Jwalche". Head screams: "Disagree! Disagree!! Exploit!! Cheater!" But I continue to read. The entire thread, to the bottom. My workday is ruined. But what OT reveals is so interesting! Here is the stuff about absorbing a clan into a non-dejure kingdom... Wow! So usefull, a feature that maybe should been legit but isn't and here we go.

 

[jwalche]

Wow! So usefull, a feature that maybe should been legit but isn't and here we go.

But creating a titular kingdom title to preserve the khan's non-nomadic barony titles and ducal tier vassals is not a random glitch. It was intentionally coded by someone at Paradox for this exact situation, and this situation only as far as I know. How can it be not legit?

Although, granting a county to a courtier through the event might be wee bit exploity.

 

[DB42]

Exploiting in a singleplayer game is fine and fun. Particularly finding them, much like cheese strats.

 

[Seclouds]

That's based on the ‘holding type’ and 'government type'.
Nomad can hold the 'empty holding type' called grassland, but the others government can't do.

For example on Tribal government:
When you play the tribal, you are pillaging the holding
--> if the first holding is destroyed, the tribal government can't hold the 'empty grass holding', so the second holding become the first holding.
--> if the second holding have the AI borny holder, the AI borny holder's holding become the capital, the ruler become the province owner, and it become the counter vassal and get that province.

The sub horde in the jail, and it have a brony, be absorbed the sub hord, it will become the government type of the brony.
The government type is Nomad, it can hold the empty grass land, when it changes the government type, it can't hold that empty grass land.
And that brony will become the country capital, the sub nomad become the normal vassal.

 

[jwalche]

That's based on the ‘holding type’ and 'government type'.
Nomad can hold the 'empty holding type' called grassland, but the others government can't do.

For example on Tribal government:
When you play the tribal, you are pillaging the holding
--> if the first holding is destroyed, the tribal government can't hold the 'empty grass holding', so the second holding become the first holding.
--> if the second holding have the AI borny holder, the AI borny holder's holding become the capital, the ruler become the province owner, and it become the counter vassal and get that province.

The sub horde in the jail, and it have a brony, be absorbed the sub hord, it will become the government type of the brony.
The government type is Nomad, it can hold the empty grass land, when it changes the government type, it can't hold that empty grass land.
And that brony will become the country capital, the sub nomad become the normal vassal.

Just one thing. The sub nomad MUST have a ducal tier vassal of own. Or else he becomes landless. I just transfer a landless religious head to him.

 

[majdavlk]

That's based on the ‘holding type’ and 'government type'.
Nomad can hold the 'empty holding type' called grassland, but the others government can't do.

For example on Tribal government:
When you play the tribal, you are pillaging the holding
--> if the first holding is destroyed, the tribal government can't hold the 'empty grass holding', so the second holding become the first holding.
--> if the second holding have the AI borny holder, the AI borny holder's holding become the capital, the ruler become the province owner, and it become the counter vassal and get that province.

The sub horde in the jail, and it have a brony, be absorbed the sub hord, it will become the government type of the brony.
The government type is Nomad, it can hold the empty grass land, when it changes the government type, it can't hold that empty grass land.
And that brony will become the country capital, the sub nomad become the normal vassal.

If you somehow manage to loose all holdings inside a county you're still able to hold that county with any government.

We can see this with tribals being able to pillage castles cities and temples. Burn all of them inside a county and you can still kinda hold the grass.
But yea, all "settled" governments try to usurp and make a holding a primary holding of a county if they loose the last their personaly managed one, even if it is held by someone from different realm.

 

[Tryvenyal]

But creating a titular kingdom title to preserve the khan's non-nomadic barony titles and ducal tier vassals is not a random glitch. It was intentionally coded by someone at Paradox for this exact situation, and this situation only as far as I know. How can it be not legit?

Although, granting a county to a courtier through the event might be wee bit exploity.

"Legit" is a stupid word...Of cause its legit but it maybe should been legit in other situations as well and here we have an(other) exception where a nomad emperor can do what no other emperor can!