Real newbie questions: marshals and reincarnating

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I'm puzzled about Marshals. I had one, and the two of us went off to conquer a couple of pagan provinces. One became royal demesne, the other became a county with the Marshal as its count. He vanished from my Court and the Marshalship. Do courtiers/advisers have to be physically present at Court, and if so, how can the Marshal then do any marshalling?

A little later I upped and died, and "reincarnated" as a child duke. OK, elective kingship, biggest dog gets the bone, I see it. Should have paid attention to the law. But then two questions -- even if I lost the kingship, why did I switch to my character's infant son rather than one of his grown-up ones? And if you're a duke in a peaceful kingdom, what do you actually DO all day?

 

[Chaingun]

To answer a part of your question (more specifically the last part): Try to have a long term objective when you play a boring duchy at peace. For example in my first game, as the county of Kalmar Län, I had the long term goal to conquer all of Sweden. Needless to say, 250 years later I had succeeded after invading the Baltic, the Holy Land, and then Denmark. Actually among the last things that happened before I quit the game was a gargantuan battle between Danish forces (me) and the joint forces of Norway and Sweden. After several years at war I barely managed to hold on at ultimately annihilate Norway as a country (it caved in after I captured its capital province), and at that point Sweden also threw in the towel.

Massive war will eventually be the most fun thing to do (if there are any decent enemy kingdoms left when you achieve a strength high enough). Always try to strive towards this objective and you will enjoy CK despite its now poor AI.

 

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to answer your 1st question, next time better make sure your king ENDS the siege so that he will get the county. if your king doesnt END the siege then the next highest ranking person will. in your case, your marshal

2nd question, well maybe your infant son had better stats? had alot more territories? usually if its elective then the best county/duchy wins.

 

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2nd question, well maybe your infant son had better stats? had alot more territories? usually if its elective then the best county/duchy wins.

Well, I had some heavy-hitters as grown children, dukes and counts and stuff. I think next time I play I shall make lots of saves and go back to remind myself who had what, or alternatively sit in front of the screen with a notebook. Hey! Tie-in merchandising, the CK Filofax :wacko:

Thanks for your reply too, Chainmail, I'm impressed by the friendliness of this BB. And beg forgiveness in advance if I screw up the mechanics of posting.....

 

[Gaute65]

-- even if I lost the kingship, why did I switch to my character's infant son rather than one of his grown-up ones?

1. All the older one has bastard trait?

2. The infant is the only with a title?

3. the infant is the oldest male?

 

[Petrarca]

You probably came back as the infant because he was the most powerful member of your dynasty- a duke with sizable territory etc.

 

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You probably came back as the infant because he was the most powerful member of your dynasty- a duke with sizable territory etc.

To Gaute: No to all, actually.

To Petrarca: Yes, I think that's it. The infant had a heavy title, the talented court heavies had no land. I'm still figuring out how to organise a dynasty in an elective kingdom -- maybe I should play the Capets or someone equally primogenitive until I find my feet......

 

[Petrarca]

Playing an elective kingdom requires a degree of permanent preparation. You must always have someone you think a suitable heir first in line for succession, which is easy sometimes but difficult when other dynasties rule large duchies or counties in your realm. It's certainly easier to start with non-elective law, and then once you're familiar with handling vassals and awarding titles (to your family members ) play an elective kingdom and see your skills really put to the test.

 

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Playing an elective kingdom requires a degree of permanent preparation. You must always have someone you think a suitable heir first in line for succession, which is easy sometimes but difficult when other dynasties rule large duchies or counties in your realm. It's certainly easier to start with non-elective law, and then once you're familiar with handling vassals and awarding titles (to your family members ) play an elective kingdom and see your skills really put to the test.

I think I'll do just that, Petrarcha, starting immediately. Bye-bye Sweden, hello the Spains, perhaps. I fancied having some pagans next door, you see.

Hey, you're a fan of SMAC! I'm married to that game, CK is a new flirtation. I so love those voiceover quotations.

 

[bgibbard]

I think I'll do just that, Petrarcha, starting immediately. Bye-bye Sweden, hello the Spains, perhaps. I fancied having some pagans next door, you see.

Is that you, David from shm?

I would recommend NOT starting as any of the Spanish kingdoms (at least not in 1066) while in learning mode. As the game is currently configured the Spanish kingdoms rarely last more than a few years before being wiped out by the Moslems unless you are a very experienced player.

 

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Is that you, David from shm?

I would recommend NOT starting as any of the Spanish kingdoms (at least not in 1066) while in learning mode. As the game is currently configured the Spanish kingdoms rarely last more than a few years before being wiped out by the Moslems unless you are a very experienced player.

Thats weird, I found the opposite. It seemed a lot of the Spanish counties had castles (even small ones) and I found that there were at least 2-3 emirs who werent all that powerful to pick on: Almeria, Cordoba, Valencia etc. With the incredibly wealthy Cordoba and southern counties on the coast, Cadiz etc. It was only a 120 year task to unifiy Spain.

Spain is a challenge with the new Alliances system but if you have powerful allies of your own .. Germany, France, England etc. Its all counter-active.

Spain also has no less than _five_ seperate Kingships to pilfer. Navaronne (sp?), Castille, Aragon, Leon and Portugal ! Which is bloody great for your prestige. There's also a lot of dukedoms compared to other places - ones with real power: Catalone, Spanish Marche etc.

Rob.

 

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Is that you, David from shm?

I would recommend NOT starting as any of the Spanish kingdoms (at least not in 1066) while in learning mode. As the game is currently configured the Spanish kingdoms rarely last more than a few years before being wiped out by the Moslems unless you are a very experienced player.

Yes, it's me. How did you guess? Am I that transparent?

 

[Josephus I]

I'm puzzled about Marshals. . Do courtiers/advisers have to be physically present at Court, and if so, how can the Marshal then do any marshalling?
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BTW....when your marshal becomes a count, as in this case, he no longer is marshal. You have to go to your court screen and pick a new one.

 

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Thats weird, I found the opposite. It seemed a lot of the Spanish counties had castles (even small ones) and I found that there were at least 2-3 emirs who werent all that powerful to pick on: Almeria, Cordoba, Valencia etc. With the incredibly wealthy Cordoba and southern counties on the coast, Cadiz etc. It was only a 120 year task to unifiy Spain.

Spain is a challenge with the new Alliances system but if you have powerful allies of your own .. Germany, France, England etc. Its all counter-active.

Spain also has no less than _five_ seperate Kingships to pilfer. Navaronne (sp?), Castille, Aragon, Leon and Portugal ! Which is bloody great for your prestige. There's also a lot of dukedoms compared to other places - ones with real power: Catalone, Spanish Marche etc.

Rob.

I was wondering whether there's any equivalent of the "parias" -- that would be a good thing to model. You start with a protectorate over the rich taifas, get pots and pots of gold, give it to Cluny, your piety goes through the roof and everyone's happy -- then in 1086 along come the Almoravids, unify al-Andalus against you, you don't get any more gold, and wham, everyone's got a sore head. Or does this maybe happen?

I'll give it a go in case you're right and Bgibbard isn't -- I know such a lot about the real history and hang out down there when I can. Just put a euro in my ear and twist my nose to get me going......

 

[Petrarca]

I think I'll do just that, Petrarcha, starting immediately. Bye-bye Sweden, hello the Spains, perhaps. I fancied having some pagans next door, you see.

Hey, you're a fan of SMAC! I'm married to that game, CK is a new flirtation. I so love those voiceover quotations.

Too bad Morgan is crippled in SMAC. Higher difficulties make it nigh-impossible to play his faction


And like bgibbard said, Spain is risky. A German, Scandinavian, or Polish state can whomp on the pagans with the least risk if you want some Baltic seafront property.

 

[Petrarca]

I was wondering whether there's any equivalent of the "parias" -- that would be a good thing to model. You start with a protectorate over the rich taifas, get pots and pots of gold, give it to Cluny, your piety goes through the roof and everyone's happy -- then in 1086 along come the Almoravids, unify al-Andalus against you, you don't get any more gold, and wham, everyone's got a sore head. Or does this maybe happen?

I'll give it a go in case you're right and Bgibbard isn't -- I know such a lot about the real history and hang out down there when I can. Just put a euro in my ear and twist my nose to get me going......

The remnant states of the Umayyad Caliphate don't fight each other, unfortunately. No taifa wars, no Berber invasions... Lucius Sulla was experimenting with a fix for that which also made in-game progress more historical, iirc.

 

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The remnant states of the Umayyad Caliphate don't fight each other, unfortunately. No taifa wars, no Berber invasions... Lucius Sulla was experimenting with a fix for that which also made in-game progress more historical, iirc.

There seem to be some seriously historically literate people around here. Much better than the Civ3 board I tried for a while. I have a worldwide chronology database for the years 1071-1241, about 15 pages per year, with an ancillary list of who's ruling what for every ten years. Maybe that would be of interest to modders?

Yes, Morgan is tough. I've taken all the factions to victory at Transcend level, but that doesn't mean every game I start. The long wait for the Hab module is so crippling to any kind of industrial base. Ever tried playing Miriam at Transcend? You have a real tech lag problem..... (Do we get swatted for talking SMAC here?)

 

[Petrarca]

There seem to be some seriously historically literate people around here. Much better than the Civ3 board I tried for a while. I have a worldwide chronology database for the years 1071-1241, about 15 pages per year, with an ancillary list of who's ruling what for every ten years. Maybe that would be of interest to modders?

Interesting. Why don't you pop down into Scenarios and Modifications to see if they need anything like that.

And the game definitely attracts a different crowd. You can find an expert on practically anything.

Yes, Morgan is tough. I've taken all the factions to victory at Transcend level, but that doesn't mean every game I start. The long wait for the Hab module is so crippling to any kind of industrial base. Ever tried playing Miriam at Transcend? You have a real tech lag problem..... (Do we get swatted for talking SMAC here?)

So long as most of the post is on-topic, I tihink you can slip in a few comments. The Hab requirement and the support penalty conspire to make Morgan an industrially weak faction, which is wonderfully ironic. As for Miriam, just take them out of the gate strong.

 

[bgibbard]

Yes, it's me. How did you guess? Am I that transparent?

No, it's just that you had very recently mentioned on shm that you were finding the discussion forums helpful, and when I saw a new poster with a Norwegian-related nick, I figured it might be you.

 

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Interesting. Why don't you pop down into Scenarios and Modifications to see if they need anything like that.

And the game definitely attracts a different crowd. You can find an expert on practically anything.

So long as most of the post is on-topic, I tihink you can slip in a few comments. The Hab requirement and the support penalty conspire to make Morgan an industrially weak faction, which is wonderfully ironic. As for Miriam, just take them out of the gate strong.

If I understand that phrase correctly, I am temperamentally incapable of it -- in Civ2 I defined my playstyle as "Democratic Neurotically Perfectionist": I go for the most perfect possible development of the geography, in SMAC getting bases with 110 minerals and 0 pollution.

Going back to CK, I'll hie myself over to Mods and offer myself as a hired lance. Don't know a thing about programming, but it would be neat to get some benefit to humanity out of 18 years of work and counting.... Wonder how much more overlap there is with SHM.