Reaction to the Articles

[JamesJameson]

Edit: They finally released some game play! Link to Quill18 YouTube Video

The articles that we got from the #HOI4EVENT was priceless. While most of them were filled with things we already knew about, like the state of the game, the best part is the fact they left confused. If they were to sit down and figure the game out after 3 quick matches, then the depth would not have been there. I know you can say that some of it was because of lack of development, but I offer the majority of it was lack of knowledge about the complexities of the game. I think someone has been forgetting to read the monthly DD's. It seems that the more the participant knew about HOI in general the better the article came out.

The small peak of the supply system seem interesting, as seen on the article about the player who was Brazil. Subsequently losing half his troops in the amazon based of a poor choice made with ships. All the mistakes that they rushed into showed quickly that if you go bill early in the game, you get wrecked. This is the way it should be for a 1936 start with an early belligerent country. The German play felt the pressure and realized he can't just jump around doing whatever he wants with units that he put together himself, he has to use the equipment and templates in that era for that specific country.

While the articles lacked substance and there is a huge cry for at least some game play footage, the outcome of bad articles lets us know that it's still not a game for the game hopping 3D candy kids. The thought that someone of EUIV or CKII can feel that same feeling they felt the first time they played those games it great! The amazement of things you can do and the immersion that follows. It's much better than HOI3 in ever aspect so far in my humble opinion, my biggest complaint so far :

Where are the National Dogs I was promised? I heard the rumor of Dinosaurs, plz confirm.

 

[Vedinu]

They should make a national dogs dlc. There would be demand for it.

 

[Denkt]

It sound like it is a very unforgiving game, without a plan you will not get far, not exactly game you will rush straight to victory with.

 

[Darkrenown]

They should make a national dogs dlc. There would be demand for it.

I'm very much against cutting out core features to make DLC from.

 

[BobbyDylan]

Love that pic. +1 to the OP

 

[JamesJameson]

Yeah i died laughing the first time I read it, then the comments on the thread below that were priceless, being that people wanted a DD .

After listening to that podcast I'm convinced that the game is going to be good. Thanks for making sure the core game don't get split up for our first free DLC.

Also no comments on the dinosaurs and on this forum that means yes, Dinosaurs confirmed.

 

[Snow Wolf]

The three articles I've read were mostly consisting of "i have no clue" "im helpless" "damn this gui" "america joins too early"

 

[mursolini]

I listened to the 1-hour long podcast, and what people playing basically agreed on was:
1. Game is not balanced in any way, shape of form.
2. World tension seem like a good concept in theory, but so far doesn`t work well in practice.
3. Minor nations are boring.
4. USA is hugely powerful, and basically the game expirience will hugely depend on how well US entry handled in game.
5. Major complains about interface.
6. Complains that HOI4 is not CK2 : WW2 edition.
7. Complains about the strange way national goals system works, apparently you only need to chose what focus you pick, and then just wait, which is boring compared to the old system of national missions, where player actually had to do stuff, like building military or infrastructure, move troops around, ex.
8. The resource system provides way too sharp contrast between being at peace, and being at war, for axis at least. There are close to no stockpiles, and basically no amount of time that your industry can work of stockpiled supplies. To relievers. that seemed like a bad thing, although everyone agreed that HOI3 allowed stockpiling way to much.

 

[Damichem]

I thought the articles went very well. It seemed like all the writers were new to HoI. The fact that they even had a clue of what was going on and what to do, shows that HoI4 is a lot more user friendly than HoI3. I'm very happy with the outcome. Can't wait, hope HoI4 has the best multiplayer yet, HoI is a game that you need to experience with other people.

 

[Denkt]

Remember this game have not had balancing as a priority yet which are show in the reviews, also the interfaces are not finishied yet. So all the bad stuff was expected more or less.

 

[DazzaLCFC]

I guess at the end of it all, its the fan base that will truly judge the game. Until a 'fan' with experience plays........

 

[Secret Master]

I'm very much against cutting out core features to make DLC from.

I'm going to keep this post handy when the first major DLC is announced.

 

[Gamer_1745]

I guess at the end of it all, its the fan base that will truly judge the game. Until a 'fan' with experience plays........

Yes, but I think it would be counter productive for Paradox to let the fan base review it at this time. Would we just spend all of the time pointing out what we don't like and not highlighting what is good in the game? If they make a good game that meets enough of our desires we will buy it. We are hooked, unless it is bad enough to put us off. It is the new player & the player who couldn't play HoI3 they need to checkout HOI IV.

Yes, I know saying this may delay any of us getting a look at the game and I to want to get my hands on it just to check it out a bit!

 

[Mindmeld_me]

It was nice to see what the first look is right now and how a multilayer play through went. Interesting approach but a good idea I think to flesh out how new users might view the game and large scale balance with new players. I am just waiting for the weekly dds, plus getting the game. It is nice to know the game is pretty stable. Looks like it is mostly balance to a large extent. Features work I should say.

 

[Axe99]

Cheers for the summary. That actually sounds pretty promising for the game as a whole. My take:

I listened to the 1-hour long podcast, and what people playing basically agreed on was:
1. Game is not balanced in any way, shape of form.

It's a strategy game six months from release. Not a concern at all, if it was balanced now then the team would have been developing in the wrong order (as you get mechanics right then balance, not balance then finish the mechanics).

2. World tension seem like a good concept in theory, but so far doesn`t work well in practice.

Same story as balance, it's not at that stage in development.

3. Minor nations are boring.

I suspect, strongly, this is because players of minors expected to have the same impact as majors in an MP game. In HoI, if minor nations were as influential or interesting as majors, the game would be very badly broken. This is a good complaint to be hearing, particularly given who we're hearing it from.

4. USA is hugely powerful, and basically the game expirience will hugely depend on how well US entry handled in game.

This sounds pretty appropriate to the historical period - if a WW2 game isn't hugely influenced by the nature and timing of the USA's intervention, it's probably not a WW2 game.

5. Major complains about interface.

It sounds like there's more work needed here, but it's worth keeping in mind that if I was playing CK2 or EU4 with little knowledge, and wasn't allowed to pause and was on speed 3 or higher, I'd have all sorts of trouble keeping up as well, and I might blame that on the UI (rather than the fact that these games were not fundamentally designed to be played in MP, so the interface isn't really an MP-first interface, although it's got more MP-friendly over the years).

6. Complains that HOI4 is not CK2 : WW2 edition.

Haha, I don't think very many of us will consider this a concern .

The other two points could or could not be concerns, but given the lack of depth of the complaints so far, I'd be erring on the side of not being particularly concerned.

 

[Hatting]

6. Complains that HOI4 is not CK2 : WW2 edition.

I want my money back inmediatly.

 

[safe-keeper]

A WWII mod for CK2, complete with all of the latter's functionality, would be hilarious.

 

[Revshawn]

With my 1,000 post, it makes me proud to support this potential game feature.

 

[aruon]

I'm very much against cutting out core features to make DLC from.

I'm going to keep this post handy when the first major DLC is announced.

$35.00 pre-order day zero Game Balancer DLC 4/1/2016. confirmed in group interview by Johan Andersson, Dan Lind, Fredrik Wester, Gabe Newell, Tsar Alexander II, Josif Stalin, and Billy Mays

 

[Leon_Aditzu]

Until the best HOI3/HOI2/Darkest Hour/Arsenal of Democracy players played the game we can't judge the quality of the game. This round was for press and players from EU4 and CK2, not even Victoria 2. Also we need the DDRJake versions of HOI 3,