Re-released Atlantis mod to try out, opinions welcomed (pictures inside)

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I did some digging and found my old Atlantis scenario, which I believe was released around patch version 1.04.

I cleaned up the files a bit to make it work in moddir mode. Everything works for EU2 vanilla version 1.09. Sadly I could not find my event files ( ) which was pretty damn long, so right now the event file is empty.

Background:

I "invented" the backstory, which you can find in the country description.

The reborn Atlantide Empire is 7 cities, 2 colonies strong in 1419.

Country culture is atlantide.

Techgroup orthodox, religion hinduism (which has been changed in-game to pantheism iirc)

Whiteman = 100 (meaning you can build cavalry and boats right away even though you start in America)

Screenshots:

A view of the capital, with new graphics courtesy of Kaigon and BeBro

A view of the country's cores.

Domestic policies and culture

Religion setup

The known world so far.

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The mod itself can be found here.

It's a standard moddir folder, just place it in your Europa Universalis 2 folder. Then go in the atlantis folder and double click the icon. Assuming your EU2 is in the standard C:\Program Files\Strategy First\Europa Universalis 2 path, it will start up. If your EU2 is installed elsewhere, you'll need to rightclick the Atlantis shortcut, go in properties and adjust the target and start-in fields to point to the appropriate place.

 

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This looks great, I thik I will try this.

 

[Kaigon]

Haha, nice set of graphics

 

[Prince Ares]

Looks great! But you EGUFSMise the shields. Plus, Silvershields are not used since EUI.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Looks great! But you EGUFSMise the shields. Plus, Silvershields are not used since EUI.

Actualy silvershields are a EU2 thang. They just got bumped with one of the patches (1.06 or something).

Ayeshteni

 

[Osteles]

This thing really looks nice
Got to try this.

 

[Prince Ares]

Actualy silvershields are a EU2 thing. They just got bumped with one of the patches (1.06 or something).

Ayeshteni

Its the same pach that uglyfied the fine shields and flags from the days of EUI to something totaly boring! Fortunately, we have EGUFSM.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Its the same pach that uglyfied the fine shields and flags from the days of EUI to something totaly boring! Fortunately, we have EGUFSM.

that'll be 1.08 then.

Aye.

 

[Prince Ares]

that'll be 1.08 then.

Aye.

Just my bad memory...

 

[orimazd]

I can't help but wonder at the greekish name of the first monarch. Looks great; what's europe like?

 

[Osteles]

But shouldnt the Atlantians know parts of Europe too? At least the strait of Hercules should be known.

 

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But shouldnt the Atlantians know parts of Europe too? At least the strait of Hercules should be known.

I don't think so, The Atlantians would have been isolated from Europe for thousands of years, I think most of their knowledge would be lost after this long time. But would an Atlantian Empire also not have effects on the other American tribes? I could imagine that the aztecs and the mayans would have taken some idaes from them and they would have traded a lot. Maybe they should have adapted the panthean religion and some other things ( like shipbuilding)

 

[kolmy]

I think Atlantida should only own bahamas, is where are the "vestiges" of the civilization, and that would piss of the spaniards.

 

[Osteles]

I don't think so, The Atlantians would have been isolated from Europe for thousands of years, I think most of their knowledge would be lost after this long time. But would an Atlantian Empire also not have effects on the other American tribes? I could imagine that the aztecs and the mayans would have taken some idaes from them and they would have traded a lot. Maybe they should have adapted the panthean religion and some other things ( like shipbuilding)

Hmm, that sounds plausible.

 

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Thanks for the feedback guys

Kaigon: I stole the shield/flagset and 4 sprite sets (iirc) from your website. I included you in the acknowledgements, with BeBro for reorg gfx and Havard (of course) for his event bible, and mostly for his Vinland work that got me started modding about 4 years ago

Prince Ares/ Ayeshteni: Wasn't sure about the silver shields. They came in Kaigon's download, so I decided to leave them in.

Orimazd: I decided to go with an ancient greek "feel" to the Atlantide, mostly because of Plato's mentions. Also, it was easier for name generation of leaders and monarchs, instead of going with a random name generator that gives screwy/stupid results. As it stands the monarch lines are mostly greek descent, while the military (land/naval leaders) are from balkan/slavic/hungarian stock.

Osteles: from the country description:

"The Atlantis Island was splintered more than twenty centuries ago by massive volcanic activity. Its people fled wherever they could, finding refuge in the different islands of the Atlantic Ocean and the surrounding lands. Over time these refugees came to form different tribes, constantly in conflict. In 1389 AD, a victor finally emerged from the Yemela lineage. Centered around the Cuban isles, Theodorus Leonius' powerful pikemen proved too much for the two major remaining tribes. He was crowned Emperor on the 31st of december, 1418, before a huge crowd in Torsatar, which would later be renamed Imperial City. The Atlantide Empire is reborn, finally emerging from 20 centuries of chaos. Will you be the one to reassert its ancient glory?"

All fictional of course, but it somewhat explains their placement on the world map, their limited interaction with mesoamericans so far, and their ignorance of europe/mediterranean

Stinus: I'm working on some events that deal with mesoamericans-atlantide relations

Any idea for events are welcome!

 

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A couple of events:

event = {
	id = 200000
	random = no
	country = u00
	name = "The Will of the Lion"
	desc = "The reign of Leonius marked the foundation of a lasting Atalntide state. No longer affected by civil war and the extreme hardships it involves, the Atlanteans were finally able to work on the development of their budding Empire. The mostly vacant lands surrounding the main islands were ripe for colonization and settlement. Theodoros Leonius set his sights on them."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
	offset = 0
	deathdate = { day = 2 month = may year = 1820 }
	action_a ={
		name = "The sugar Isles will be ours"
		command = { type = colonists value = 3 }
		command = { type = population which = 153 value = 300 }		
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200002 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200003 }
	}
	action_b ={
		name = "Head for the Northern Peninsula"
		command = { type = colonists value = 3 }
		command = { type = population which = 1569 value = 300 }		
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200001 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200003 }
	}
	action_c ={
		name = "Settle on the Southern Mainland"
		command = { type = colonists value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax   which = 140 value = 2 }		
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200001 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200002 }
	}
}

event = {
id = 200001
random = no
country = u00
name = "Settling the Sugar Isles"
desc = "The surrounding Sugar Isles to the east seem to be the most similar to our own lands in terms of terrain and climate. But the native populations has grown weary of Atlantis over the years, and many native settlements react with violence upon spotting Atlantean sails on the horizon. How shall we approach the savages?"
date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1419 }
action_a = { 
name = "The old fashioned way, with fire and steel!"
command = { type = badboy   value = 1 }
command = { type = natives   which = 144 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 145 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 146 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 147 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 148 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 149 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 150 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 151 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 152 value = 9 }
} 
action_b = {
name = "Win them over with gifts and trinkets"
command = { type = cash value = -50 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = natives   which = 144 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 145 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 146 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 147 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 148 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 149 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 150 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 151 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 152 value = 2 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Trade, invest and mingle: prepare them for incorporation with the Empire"
command = { type = cash value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 18161 }
command = { type = natives   which = 144 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 145 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 146 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 147 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 148 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 149 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 150 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 151 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 152 value = 0 }
}
}


event = {
id = 200002
random = no
country = u00
name = "Heading North"
desc = "The Northern Peninsula is a backwater region, but a strategic one nonetheless. With our scouts and expeditions reporting a land without end on the northern mainland, a firm foothold in the North could prove advantageous. But the native populations has grown weary of Atlantis over the years, and many native settlements react with violence upon spotting Atlantean sails on the horizon. How shall we approach the savages?"
date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1419 }
action_a = { 
name = "The old fashioned way, with fire and steel!"
command = { type = badboy   value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = cre value = -100 }
command = { type = natives   which = 46 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 47 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 49 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 50 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 62 value = 9 }
} 
action_b = {
name = "Win them over with gifts and trinkets"
command = { type = cash value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = cre value = 100 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = natives   which = 46 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 47 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 49 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 50 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 62 value = 2 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Trade, invest and mingle: prepare them for incorporation with the Empire"
command = { type = cash value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 18161 }
command = { type = natives   which = 46 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 47 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 49 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 50 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 62 value = 0 }
}
}

event = {
id = 200003
random = no
country = u00
name = "Settling the Southern Mainland"
desc = "The Southern Mainland is largely unexplored at this point. The few survivors we sent south returned haggard, speaking deliriously of impassable mountains and cities made of gold... The Southern lands could hold the key to many riches!  But the native populations has grown weary of Atlantis over the years, and many native settlements react with violence upon spotting Atlantean sails on the horizon. How shall we approach the savages?"
date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1419 }
action_a = { 
name = "The old fashioned way, with fire and steel!"
command = { type = badboy   value = 1 }
command = { type = natives   which = 39 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 154 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 156 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 157 value = 9 }
command = { type = natives   which = 158 value = 9 }
} 
action_b = {
name = "Win them over with gifts and trinkets"
command = { type = cash value = -50 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = natives   which = 39 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 154 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 156 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 157 value = 2 }
command = { type = natives   which = 158 value = 2 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Trade, invest and mingle: prepare them for incorporation with the Empire"
command = { type = cash value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = -6 }
command = { type = MIL   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = DIP   which = -3 value = 60 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 18161 }
command = { type = natives   which = 39 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 154 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 156 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 157 value = 0 }
command = { type = natives   which = 158 value = 0 }
}
}

Hmmm not sure how to occupy the time until the Europeans come.

 

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Wars + cores on Aztec Empire?

Anyway, promising scenario. I do, however, think that Theodoros (right?) as a 4-6-4-1 leader should have more than a maximum of three in MIL.

Maybe revise the random events too to make them more suiting?

 

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Good point about the king there. Changed to 6/5/6 for now.

I also changed the pantheism religion symbol to:

but I find it's bleeding-eyes ugly as sin.

Any ideas on a fitting symbol to use?

I'm writing some Machiavellian-type events regarding the Mesoamericans. Poor things, they'll never see it coming

 

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event = {
id = 200004
trigger = { 
exists = MAA 
NOT = { war = { country = MAA country = u00 } }
OR = {
neighbour = MAA
owned   = { province = 36 data = u00 }
relation = { country = MAA data = 150 }
}
}
random = no
country = u00
name = "The Mayan Gambit"
desc = "The Mayans have approached us with a marriage proposal between  our two royal families. 
We haven't had much contact with the peoples of the mainland, but the Mayans are the ones 
we know and trust best. Theodoros Leonius recruited several companies of Mayans during the 
War of Unification, and they served honorably. How will we answer them?"
date = { day = 10 month = january year = 1425 }
offset = 500
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "Welcome the proposal with open arms!"
command = { type = dynastic   which = maa }
command = { type = relation   which = maa value = 30 }
command = { type = stability   value = 1 }
command = { type = setflag   which = maya }
}
action_b = {
name = "Let us think about it for now...."
command = { type = relation   which = maa value = 10 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Refuse these savages!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = maa value = -25 }
command = { type = casusbelli   which = maa value = 60 }
}
action_d = {
name = "Give them a red wedding: murder the bride and her entourage!"
command = { type = casusbelli   which = maa value = 6 }
command = { type = war  which = maa }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = MIL   which = 3 value = 48 }
command = { type = relation which = maa value = -100 }
command = { type = INF   which = -2 value = 6000 }
command = { type = cav   which = -2 value = 2000 }
command = { type = warships  which = -2 value = 3 }
}
}

The plan is to have the player ally with the mayans against the Aztecs later on, or to nudge them to attack them.

 

[orimazd]

I would like to point out that when the Spanish were in the carribbean, there were hints about what was going on in the mayan coastline, and reports also were reaching the Huey-Tlatoani of the Mexica (at the time it was Motecazoma II). There had been Mayan peoples as far away as venezuela (I cannot prove this with a link or anything, just a map; if you consider 1491 to be a credulous book then ignore everything I say...most people who don't like the book don't like its general tone towards native americans, but don't say anything about the facts presented). I am pretty sure that Anyone in mesoamerica would know that there was shit going down in the carribbean, and I don't see why some atlanteans wouldn't have washed up in mexico like in most of the carribbean islands.

lol, if I had been making this I would have put them in Indonesia, but that's just me and what I like (and I have read too much graham hancock, and too much is fingerprints of the gods).

Do you have a link to the original thread on this project, or was there never one?