Randomly lost two heirs resulting in game over

[Castios]

I was playing as Patrician and I had two really good heirs. But then without any warning I noticed my heir changed and I do not have any of my two heirs available. One of them became marshal in some random country and the other one randomly became Mayor or some city outside of the realm.

Soon after I died heir-less.

How and why did it happen? When I tried to invite one of them back (marshal) it said that he is higher rank than me, but he was only a marshal?

I did not marry either of them, they were just chilling in my court until they went away. Is it possible AI invited them to their courts since they had attractive stats?

I am not too bad about all this since I had some insanely back luck this run, like opening gates right after disease ended, then immediately another one spawning in right in my county, while my gates are still on cooldown so I could not shut them down, so I was got disease and died. Or my ruler and his heir both dying of cancer etc. I would just like to understand what exactly happened to my heirs.

 

[Vetgirig]

Have you ever considered why the game gives you a popup warning you that your heir is unmarried ?

 

[Castios]

Have you ever considered why the game gives you a popup warning you that your heir is unmarried ?

Not really since I never had such issues with my heirs. But then again I usually play pagans so maybe that's different.

 

[Tryvenyal]

Is that new, that your patrician heir has to be at your court? I know they can't be handled and also understund they cant be designated heirs if not at court and I aslo realize they has to be at my court to count towards my trading post limit but... I wagely remember a run where I came from paganism and had a pagen/feudal branch of my dynasty which sometimes created claches in the inheritance. as far as I know, the marchal should be eligable.

As for why they left your court, they might been plotting against doge familly(if you were patrician only) or some other liege? Both at the same time sounds strange though..

 

[Tryvenyal]

nvite one of them back (marshal) it said that he is higher rank than me

He probably was in a court of higher rank than you, that was probably what is said as reason

 

[Castios]

Them not being in my court disqualified them from inheritance apparently.

 

[Aliter Cogitent]

Did you or did they marry feudal? If you married feudal they probably inherited land/claims and left. If they married feudal its possible their spouse pulled them over, likely also because the spause inherited land.

Feudal marriages are tempting since there's a much wider gene pool but I've learned the hardway to stop doing that as I've lost heirs that way.Once they change gov't types they are disqualified from republican inheritance.

When I first started out I figured 4th-5th line in succession are irrelevant but ho ho no between disease, battle deaths, etc. if they exist anywhere in the line of succession they can very possibly inherit.

 

[Dolin]

My guesses are:

1. For son one, maybe he got granted a newly build or conquered city from your liege. They tend to hand out fiefs to courtiers or friends.

2. For son two, it seems to me he was member of an holy order of some sorts, moving him to the Grandmaster's court but removing him from normal inheritance.

 

[Tuppie]

Marshal son might have been pulled into someone else's court and was then sent to a holy order.

 

[Dragatus]

If they were in your court and then suddenly they were not the only explanation I can think off is that some AI ruler of equal or higher rank invited them to join his court.

As for the inheritance issues, did you by chance have the controlled realm inheritance law? I remember someone mentioning how that law is currently bugged and will prevent all characters outside your realm from inheriting, not just landed ones.

 

[Tuppie]

If they were in your court and then suddenly they were not the only explanation I can think off is that some AI ruler of equal or higher rank invited them to join his court.

As for the inheritance issues, did you by chance have the controlled realm inheritance law? I remember someone mentioning how that law is currently bugged and will prevent all characters outside your realm from inheriting, not just landed ones.

He's a patrician so even if realm inheritance was controlled he wouldn't be able to change it.
Without favours that is.

 

[SSA]

Feudal characters will never go towards a Republic once they are landed, and Holy Orders characters can never inherit. If they outrank you, it's probably that they are in a higher ranking court than you.

 

[faiuwle]

Is it a vassal merchant republic? It's possible that a higher liege, or even your Doge if you are not the Doge, granted them feudal titles and maybe you didn't notice the new portrait borders.

 

[Dzikun]

They have to be in your court to be able to inherit. They also need to be unlanded. Not sure if that worked like that before HF because i do not remember but that is my experience from 2 patrician games so far after HF. I have not had my family invited by another court yet... Or i haven't noticed.