Random ideas thread

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The question if syndicalism would have a chance to gain power in China is currently being discussed by the team. Personally I believe this wouldn't be the case. IMO syndicalism is too oriented on skilled labour, the presence of trade unions and the general social situation of Western Europe to gain power with the Chinese farmers and unskilled labour. Much of their anger and discontent could be channeled by the Shanqqing movement anyway (Lin Biao and Deng Xiaoping are Shanqqing for example, Mao is presumed dead).

About the AUS and Cuba: I doubt a group of American expats could gain power there. Some AARs use it as a location for American Firsters to flee too, making Cuba more Kaiserreichs Argentine than its Taiwan. For more info I refer you to ^_AC_^, who is in charge of fleshing out the AUS.

 

[JRHINDO]

How about the Sino-Jap democratic alliance? Would make more events for the event empty japan.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

So why not have syndicalism gain a foothold in the Legation Cities, which presumably may have more Western-educated intellectuals? And it's just a bunch of rich towns sitting there under foreign dominion- surely they must have something upsetting happen to them. And if Lin Biao and Deng Xiaoping are Shanqqing, that must mean that the Heavenly Kingdom will be elaborated more in the future!

* Would it be feasible to have the obligatory Mormon state of Deseret secede during the 2nd ACW? It'd be fun to have yet another wacky theocracy.

That said, any comments on my other suggestions?

 

[lordhasen]

I have a idea for After war germany ( if they win )
Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle) germanys Economy gos up with events like a new steel mill is fouded or new tech teams like Reichswagen BMW came or simply a bonus for ic building

 

[Vidboy10]

What about a liberatable German Republic?

 

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@ Strategos Risk: we are planning to spice up the Chinese states in the future, but nothing concrete yet. We will not include Deseret, as Nevada is a poor strip of desert with very few inhabitants.

@ Lordhasen: Germany will get a bit more love in the next update, but more in the region of expanded elections. Economic updates might follow, but no promises.

@ Vidboy10: The next release will have the German Union as releasable nation, with different paths for a syndicalist, democratic and dictatorial government.

 

[erica]

- We're working on China, and a developer had about the same idea posted here. If syndicalism takes root in China, it would be among theLegation Cities or ROC supporters.

I support the idea that the Chinese syndicalist become the ROC supports. They can be the ministers and leaders of ROC. And they will establish a political party after China reunited and they can rule China through the election.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

Another China idea- I've read elsewhere of criticisms that the Qing are hanging to power for far too long. I'm not sure about the plausibility involved, but I do think that it would be cool if another dynasty were to replace them, though I'm not thinking about the Shangqing. Instead, what if the Manchu got too intractable for the Germans to deal with, and a warlord proclaims a new Han dynasty? Wu Peifu or Zhang Zuolin, perhaps, they were among the most powerful of warlords.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

Yeah thats a pretty decent idea, but what about the Qinq dynasty going into exile in Japan who the petition to invade china and restore them? This would give Japan a pretty decinet reason to invade china in order to gain a powerful ally. Also have the new empire being freindly with Canada and their allies so that they have a decent fighting change if Russia doesn't join them.

 

[Vidboy10]

Why not reserect the Confederation of the Rine?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_the_Rhine

 

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@ Strategos Risk/ Bad_Haggis: We have some ideas floating around regarding China, but nothing concrete yet. It does look like a new Chinese state, preliminarly named the Nanjing Government, will be included. It will mostly represent a Japanese puppet, or an attempt to set up a conservative puppet by someone else. Wu Peifu is serving the Qing, while Zhang Zuolin already has his own little domain in the Fengtian Republic.

@ Vidboy10: In that case you will be glad to hear the Rhineland is already a releasable nation.

 

[Vidboy10]

@ Vidboy10: In that case you will be glad to hear the Rhineland is already a releasable nation.

Really?
Is it one of the 4 releaseable German nations?

 

[^_AC_^]

Yes, together with Bavaria, Prussia and North German Federation if I recall correctly.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

more miscellaneous ideas

The surviving Kaiserreich seems to have a fetish for creating new kingdoms with German royalty on the throne. Thus, could any of these situations have arose?

1. In a second intervention in a future Russian civil war, Germany places a German prince as Czar of All Russias. The state ruled by this German czar does not necessarily have to comprise of much, it may even just be centered around a key city or two.

2. The German overlords manipulate Puyi into taking a German or other European wife, and this actually results in half-German children. Placing an actual German as Son of Heaven would be too much, even for KR.

3. Royalism or enlightened absolutism turns into a full-fledged ideology, thanks to the void created by the fall of liberal democracy in western Europe and the United States, and the lack of the bourgeois extremism of fascism. Though a hypothetical royalist ideology is just used in realpolitik by Germany as well as an excuse to back various factions in many countries with regimes they want to replace, or keep in power.

And another point:

Could Marxist-Leninism as we know it in our world ever surface? That is, a revolutionary regime that is not based upon trade unions, but rather a vanguard party or whatever the Bolshevik/Maoist brands of communism are comprised of?

 

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Some answers:

- We are discussing what to do with Russia after its bitter peace. However, the fact that the Czar has to be orthodox would put off most German nobles.

- I think the fastest way for Pu Yi to lose the mandate of heaven is to marry a European woman. We are planning events for Pu Yi to be replaced if he's not nice to Germany though.

- Not a single monarchy is the same in Kaiserreich. There is too big a difference between the Scandinavian constitutional monarchies, the German mixed constitution (parliament and Kaiser both hold significant power), the Japanese Emperor, a potential Czarist revival andthe powers of the British king in exile. In gameterms, monarchies can be democratic (Scandinavia, Netherlands), authoritarian democrat (Germany, Canada, Japan), paternal authocrat (again Japan, potentially Russia), or even National Populist (Czarist/Wrangel Russia).

- The ideas about a dictatorship of the vanguard still live on in Georgia. I doubt Beria would bother with trade unions in his domains. The Jacobins in France strive for a centralized regime too, while the French anarchists see the trade unions as a form of government control that needs to be broken down over time. The several Totalist streams of syndicalism have views varying from reigning in the power of the trade unions to taking away most oftheir power. However true revolutionary communism died with Lenin and Trotsky.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

Will there ever be a syndicalist equivalent to Maoism? That is, an agrarian revolutionary movement based upon self-determination of self-governing communes of rural peasantry?

 

[c0d5579]

Actually, regarding Dutchie's Point 1 and the Orthodox Tsar, why not Prince Friedrich Wilhelm, the firstborn of Ludwig Ferdinand and Kira Kirillovna, born in 1939 OTL? Since Ludwig and Kira OTL had an Orthodox wedding, there's no reason the prince could not be baptized Orthodox. As of right now, Ludwig Ferdinand is an optional English monarch, which brings me to my second suggestion...

Ludwig Ferdinand's presence on the throne of England is obviously a forced imposition if he's King. However, if he's Prince-Consort to Elizabeth... well, you see where I'm going with that one. I'm hopped up on coffee right now, so I'll put it in decision-tree form for eventing:

1 - Marriage Time - Ludwig Ferdinand
1a - Marry Kira Kirillovna of Russia
1b - Mary Elizabeth Windsor

If 1a AND Russian intervention - Wilhelm III's grandson shall be Tsar!
If 1b AND Sealion - Ludwig Ferdinand becomes Prince-Regent! (Note that this does not rule out the partition of Britain, but...)
* If no partition, Britain joins Central Powers, Commonwealth states receive event deciding whether they wish to swear loyalty to Elizabeth.

Now, on to German ministers as discussed in "The Plot Against Britain" sidebar.

Air - Theo Osterkamp, 1936+, PA, Naval Aviation Doctrine, Medium, use his leader pic.

 

[OneiricRose]

Will there ever be a syndicalist equivalent to Maoism? That is, an agrarian revolutionary movement based upon self-determination of self-governing communes of rural peasantry?

I'd see Sorelians as the closest to Maoism.
In any case any plan for further development of pseudo-fascists like Iron Guard and similar movements?

 

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@ Strategos Risk: Currently the only rural country falling to revolution is Mexico, but one can argue if the Mexican revolution is socialist or syndicalist in nature. We are discussing the possibility ofa Chinese variant of syndicalism, but more than likely this will be a more classic socialism instead of syndicalism. Remember that syndicalism heavily relies on the presence of trade unions and the support of skilled labour.

@ c0d5579: Louis Ferdinand becoming Czar could be interesting, I will suggest it to our developers for Russia. However,I personallydoubt the Windsors are willing to marry off a young princess to a German prince. There is a lot of bad blood between both houses, with the Hohenzollerns insulted about the Windsors rejecting their German roots and the Windsors still in shock about losing their homeland.

The Osterkamp suggestion is interesting. I guess he would be a good minister for 1938+ or so.

@ TheConqueror: Personally I would say the Sorelians are the closest thing to Leninists, as they are pushing for centralization of central government in order to further the revolution. Note that the Sorelians are one of the branches of syndicalism calling themselves Totalist, a mixture of fascist and leninist ideas.

There will be no single fascist ideology. These kind of ideologies are often tailored to suit the situation of the nation that 'invented'it. Fascism itself was tailored towards the Italian society, Falangism was only suited for Spain itself, and National Socialism had the German Dolkstoss-legend at its core. The same goes for the Iron Guard ideology, which is too Romanian to be exported abroad. That doesn't mean there aren't any other revanchist military dictatorships, as Greece and Serbia, but the latter haven't sought to ideologically justify their dictatorships.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

Thanks for the answers. Another question- is there any chance for the former Rhodesians in the areas annexed by South Africa to want to return to the Entente and separation from the Joburg regime? Would there be enough desire for a Rhodesian separatist movement?