Random given territory to estates

[Secuter]

After a war, where you'd normally hand out the prices to the different estates (and thus give them loyalty) they instead merely takes over the estates of the nation that previously owned the provinces and thus were able to designate an estate. However, even though the estates receives these territories their loyalty doesn't increase, which makes it quite hard to bump up their loyalty.
It makes it even harder if you have to revoke some territory or switch around others to gain maximum effect.

Shouldn't they just all be owned by the crown after a conquest?

 

[Korashy]

After a war, where you'd normally hand out the prices to the different estates (and thus give them loyalty) they instead merely takes over the estates of the nation that previously owned the provinces and thus were able to designate an estate. However, even though the estates receives these territories their loyalty doesn't increase, which makes it quite hard to bump up their loyalty.
It makes it even harder if you have to revoke some territory or switch around others to gain maximum effect.

Shouldn't they just all be owned by the crown after a conquest?

Same religion estates stay. Which makes sense for the clergy. For everyone else it's sorta iffy.

 

[9Zakarious6]

Same religion estates stay. Which makes sense for the clergy. For everyone else it's sorta iffy.

It does make sense. Look at it like CK2. If you have a claim on a county, when you take it the baronies are still owned by the people who owned them. If you have a claim on a duchy, the counties and baronies are still owned by their original owners. In EU4, when you claim a province, you are claiming the title of liege of the province, not ownership of all the land in said province. If you want to change the internal ownership, you have to revoke titles, which is how it is done in ck2 as well.

 

[Secuter]

It does make sense. Look at it like CK2. If you have a claim on a county, when you take it the baronies are still owned by the people who owned them. If you have a claim on a duchy, the counties and baronies are still owned by their original owners. In EU4, when you claim a province, you are claiming the title of liege of the province, not ownership of all the land in said province. If you want to change the internal ownership, you have to revoke titles, which is how it is done in ck2 as well.

I don't think that you'd let the people in power stay in their territories. It was very common for the king to distribute the winnings to loyal subjects. Again, distributing yourself would also gain their loyalty.

 

[birincikalite]

It makes sense historically(at least in situations like Catholic vs Catholic) but in gameplay it causes problems. They said they could do something for the gameplay reasons.

 

[Wizzington]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

 

[beckermt]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

Yay!

 

[ZZMitch]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

Are there any updates on when 1.15 will be released?

 

[ChildeR]

Are there any updates on when 1.15 will be released?

The not distant future.

 

[ZZMitch]

Ah thanks, I just noticed that from an earlier thread!

 

[brtzknf]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise.

 

[WeissRaben]

And of course, anything that endangers in any way puking random colors on the map needs to be eradicated.

Yes, conquering a province with a very strong noble class should be a concern for a nation already on the brink of civil war. If anything, Estates are now so inconsequential that the preferred tactic is apparently "give stuff, get favors out of them, erase them from the nation, wait 20 years, repeat".

 

[bbqftw]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

I wonder who got shipped 20 nobility-estate provinces after winning a war in the latest dev MP session.

 

[illathid]

I wonder who got shipped 20 nobility-estate provinces after winning a war in the latest dev MP session.

Oh, that's good. I hadn't even thought about that.

 

[Vaximillian]

Are there any updates on when 1.15 will be released?

Soon™.

 

[Zakumakura]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

While I see where this is coming from, I would very much like to see SOME effect of having conquered a province that belonged to an enemy estate.

For example, there could be some extra revolt risk in a province that belonged to the enemy nations nobility if they were very loyal, which you could negate by giving the province to YOUR nobility (or another estate)? Or less missionary strength in a province that belonged to a heretic or heathen clergy (which you could counteract by giving it to your clergy)? Nothing big, something that will tick down in 2-5 years, depending on the loyalty the respective estate had/has toward their leader (so that there would be no effect when conquering provinces of disloyal/semiloyal estates).

 

[I'm gaming]

it's too detrimental gameplay wise

I'm afraid that this change is also detrimental.. Will estates become easier to be managed at 1.15 with this change?

 

[zdlugasz]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

Like pendulum, from one extreme to another.
Add not thought-through and not balanced feature and butcher it in next patch ...

 

[DVF]

In 1.15 newly conquered provinces will always lose their Estates. Estates staying makes sense historically but it's too detrimental gameplay wise (it'll remain an option for modding though).

Maybe clergy should remain in control of it's territory if the conquerer has the same religion, since it's not directly tied to the country?

Something I've thought about is that there should maybe be more tie-ins between the clergy estate and the religious mechanics (piety, karma , papacy etc)? Also, during the reformation, shouldn't all lands owned by the clergy be seized by the crown, maybe causing a rebellion?