Ran out of courtiers

[dogfish8]

I started out with four male courtiers.

Three became my officer people who make buildings and stuff.

One i made Kujoblahwatever of one of my provinces.

I have been expanding and have run out of sons to give land to. My officer people who made buildings have died so i can't upgrade my stuff anymore. I have been reduced to giving out land to the infant children of the one Kujo-guy who is sill alive.

How the hell do i get more courtiers? Aren't there some random people out there who want free land?

I want my dude to die so that my son (who has eleventy billion courtiers) can actually build buildings.

Also, if i make someone the daimyo will they assign their own kujo-guys?

 

[Simon280586]

I also have this problem. No new courtiers have joined my court for years, there's only one choice if I want to replace any of my officials. One thing I would like to be able to do is offer jobs to people in my vassal's courts, because there were some really talented people there who were part of my clan but not available for selection, despite the clan leader's court being more prestigious.

 

[Captain Gars]

There is a mechanism to add more courtiers if you have run out but unfortunately a minor bug prevents this from happening. This has been fixed and will be in the first patch. There will also be a new solution for when one of your advisers die. In the mean time you can give up to five kokujin titles to a vassal, and granting him a daimyo title means that he himself can have vassals, which means that you can give him additional provinces that he in turn will hand out to people in his court.

 

[mp84]

There is a mechanism to add more courtiers if you have run out but unfortunately a minor bug prevents this from happening. This has been fixed and will be in the first patch. There will also be a new solution for when one of your advisers die. In the mean time you can give up to five kokujin titles to a vassal, and granting him a daimyo title means that he himself can have vassals, which means that you can give him additional provinces that he in turn will hand out to people in his court.

Minor huh? Seems a pretty major one to me honestly, lol.. Since your game basically comes to a full blown stop without more couriters. (something I'm experiencing now, so I can't give out more Titles for the new lands I just conquered)

Well does seem the patch is fixing a lot of stuff which is awesome, but at the same time doesn't seem this patch is anywhere near release which is a shame.. Guess I'll go back to CK till the patch is out, so looking forward to when that is!

 

[Captain Gars]

Minor huh? Seems a pretty major one to me honestly, lol.. Since your game basically comes to a full blown stop without more couriters. (something I'm experiencing now, so I can't give out more Titles for the new lands I just conquered)

Well does seem the patch is fixing a lot of stuff which is awesome, but at the same time doesn't seem this patch is anywhere near release which is a shame.. Guess I'll go back to CK till the patch is out, so looking forward to when that is!

Well if it was major it would make the game unplayable which it isn't. Courtiers is supposed to be a resource that you need to use strategically, so you really have to think twice on how and to whom you hand out titles. I'm not saying that you have done this, but there are obviously players who hand out one title per vassal, and then you are supposed to run out of courtiers. If you use some of the advice above plus recruiting ronins - which can be given land as well, so that is another source of potential vassals - you should be able to play until the patch comes out.

 

[mp84]

Well if it was major it would make the game unplayable which it isn't. Courtiers is supposed to be a resource that you need to use strategically, so you really have to think twice on how and to whom you hand out titles. I'm not saying that you have done this, but there are obviously players who hand out one title per vassal, and than you are supposed to run out of courtiers. If you use some of the advice above plus recruiting ronins - which can be given land as well, so that is another source of potential vassals - you should be able to play until the patch comes out.

Gotcha didn't actually think of the "Ronins" cause when I've tried to recruit them It's hardly yield any success, but that's indeed something to think about I guess..

thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[Blastaz]

You can give land to the courtiers of your vassals. And when they are created count they spawn a court of their own. ATM. You won't after the patch.

Doing this solves your problems.

 

[Wampbit]

Blastaz' solution pretty much sums up how to handle that situation. It seems to largely be a problem if you have a rapidly expanding newly formed clan, and I've seen this situation occur a few times in the small multiplayer games I've played, however careful handling does seem to prevent any such issues in large part.

 

[mp84]

You can give land to the courtiers of your vassals. And when they are created count they spawn a court of their own. ATM. You won't after the patch.

Doing this solves your problems.

I don't quite understand what you mean by that.. How would a Vassal's court solve the Courtier problem for your own Court?

Edit: Wait a minute, now I get it.. You're out of courtiers to be able to give land to, but you can still give the title to a couriter of another vassal's court, and in turn they will become a count.. (So in other words, it doesn't come from your pool of courtiers, but your vassals!)

Haha.. kk, interesting thanks, granted it won't solve the problem if you need people for your own Court for like Masters of Guard, etc.. But still good to know though.

 

[Prydefalcn]

I don't quite understand what you mean by that.. How would a Vassal's court solve the Courtier problem for your own Court?

Edit: Wait a minute, now I get it.. You're out of courtiers to be able to give land to, but you can still give the title to a couriter of another vassal's court, and in turn they will become a count.. (So in other words, it doesn't come from your pool of courtiers, but your vassals!)

Haha.. kk, interesting thanks, granted it won't solve the problem if you need people for your own Court for like Masters of Guard, etc.. But still good to know though.

It would in part because you could in turn revoke land titles from your other courtiers to give to your vassal's court. That would free up existing courtiers in your court that were previously tied to land titles.

 

[unmerged(113565)]

Well if it was major it would make the game unplayable which it isn't. Courtiers is supposed to be a resource that you need to use strategically, so you really have to think twice on how and to whom you hand out titles. I'm not saying that you have done this, but there are obviously players who hand out one title per vassal, and then you are supposed to run out of courtiers. If you use some of the advice above plus recruiting ronins - which can be given land as well, so that is another source of potential vassals - you should be able to play until the patch comes out.

Its a minor annoyance until 30 or 40 years into a campaign when you can't appoint any council positions. With the high death rate for offspring too, even IF you breed like wildfire and have lots of children, the likelyhood is 50% will be girls and not able to take titles or positions and a good proportion will die as children due to unknown causes. Some bad luck and you quickly have nobody in your court. The game may still be physically playable but I wonder how many campaigns have ground to a halt as a result of this? I, personally have had to restart more than a few and that was after I knew about this problem and was trying to compensate. If I marry each of my heirs and sons to 4 wives then I have to contend with the primary spouse bug messing up their stats and finding enough wives etc.

P.S One very messy way of repopulating your empty court while this minor bug is in place is to revoke titles. Take the title and you get the courtiers of the court you revoked. They will all hate you though... and of course it's going to cost you a lot of honour which could have undesirable effects.

 

[Nefaro]

It gets much easier once you're about 50 years into the game and the original clan leader's kids are having their own come of age.

Not to mention that you seem to be able to get other clan's refugees pouring in if you have a high diplomacy rating on your clan leader, resulting in relations bonuses (or Honor, not really sure). This is all speculation on my part, but it's based on having numerous different groups of clans becoming my courtiers out of the blue in droves at one point of a game (with a high Diplo rating & honor).

If anything, the early game dearth of courtiers serves to punish clans that expand too much without enough vassals available to appoint. Dunno if the AI is appropriately cautious about this, but on the bright side it may help split up some AI clans.

 

[unmerged(113565)]

Not to mention that you seem to be able to get other clan's refugees pouring in if you have a high diplomacy rating on your clan leader, resulting in relations bonuses (or Honor, not really sure). This is all speculation on my part, but it's based on having numerous different groups of clans becoming my courtiers out of the blue in droves at one point of a game (with a high Diplo rating & honor).

I have too seen that...once. Just the once though.

it is a bug, they said you are supposed to get a few new courtiers every now and then, but an unfortunate bug in the code prevents this. It punishes the player badly because you can't improve castles, villages, hire ronin or ninja. Maybe if you could invite unemployed characters to your court or maybe they will patch it and it will work as intended.

 

[feelotraveller]

I think it's relations which attracts them (although people have also said honour). Seems like if they are homeless and they like you more than anyone else they flop on your doorstep.

The funniest moment for me was when, about a year into the game(!) the Onya-Takeda in-laws turned up to stay. Their kori had been overrun and the rest of the family died but the parents of my new bride knew where to go... I was in stitches when a month or so later the father, a former clan leader, developed the ambition to be the master of the guard, and he had a big fat zero for his intrigue stat.

 

[Nefaro]

I have too seen that...once. Just the once though.

it is a bug, they said you are supposed to get a few new courtiers every now and then, but an unfortunate bug in the code prevents this. It punishes the player badly because you can't improve castles, villages, hire ronin or ninja. Maybe if you could invite unemployed characters to your court or maybe they will patch it and it will work as intended.

Oh, it certainly wasn't the one-new-character event that they've said is broken, and will be fixed. That will probably help you out right there, once they get it up and running. No, I'm talking about having 5 or 6 members of the same clan showing up all at once. An example of one group that joined my court, were from some clan that had a civil war running for a couple years. Out of nowhere, my message bar started blinking with those 5 or 6 new messages of each showing up as a new courtier in my court. They all had the same clanname-clanname and I recognized them from the clan in civil war that I'd taken notice of a bit before. Evidentally this side of the clan civil war lost, and some of the losing side joined my court.. which was halfway across Japan from where they were originally. I suspect it was due to my high diplomacy rating or something. This happened again, two more times, with a similar amount of new courtiers with the same clan name showing up at my court. I had them running out my ears after that. Think it's a pretty cool feature, if that is indeed what it is. It was in the 1520s this all started rolling in.

 

[Captain Gars]

I don't quite understand what you mean by that.. How would a Vassal's court solve the Courtier problem for your own Court?

Edit: Wait a minute, now I get it.. You're out of courtiers to be able to give land to, but you can still give the title to a couriter of another vassal's court, and in turn they will become a count.. (So in other words, it doesn't come from your pool of courtiers, but your vassals!)

Haha.. kk, interesting thanks, granted it won't solve the problem if you need people for your own Court for like Masters of Guard, etc.. But still good to know though.

Giving land to your vassal's vassal is a bug though and will be gone with the patch. But the patch will also solve a numnber of issues with getting new courtiers & better handling of advisers that die.

I have too seen that...once. Just the once though.

it is a bug, they said you are supposed to get a few new courtiers every now and then, but an unfortunate bug in the code prevents this. It punishes the player badly because you can't improve castles, villages, hire ronin or ninja. Maybe if you could invite unemployed characters to your court or maybe they will patch it and it will work as intended.

Random refugees turning up in your court do sound like a bug. The only refugees that I know are supposed to turn up are vassals of yours that lose their last kori/province. If you grant that character new land he will spawn a new court and his old will stay with you. And once you die you will inherit your fathers court.

 

[NexusSix]

In one game I had one of my wife's parents show up.

BLeeding inlaws, must suck having 4 sets !

 

[Falc]

Random refugees turning up in your court do sound like a bug. The only refugees that I know are supposed to turn up are vassals of yours that lose their last kori/province. If you grant that character new land he will spawn a new court and his old will stay with you. And once you die you will inherit your fathers court.

What about members of your dynasty that have lost their lands? Specifically, when I managed to break free as one of the Odas while Isshiki was gobbling up Shiba, I was pleased to see him showing up in my court later on. Didn't actually check but it's possible this was only after the Shiba were totally wiped out.

 

[Nefaro]

In one game I had one of my wife's parents show up.

BLeeding inlaws, must suck having 4 sets !

LOL! Maybe that's the reason I've been getting mobs of people, from the same family, showing up all at once!

The wives' families must be dropping in to stay: "Howdy neighbor! Sh!tter's full!"

 

[Nimic]

I had 0 courtiers for some 15 years, and then all of a sudden I got.. like... 60?