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I understand your concern about the poor neglected non-Christians, but you chose a poor example. Surely you've noticed how long and often people have complained about Decadence; the complaints only stopped/slowed when Johan said they were working on fixing it.
Except it wasn't Johan and it was a over year after the Muslim DLC. That's how much it mattered.

I don't need to read what I already know. Perhaps you should Google "tellin' it like it is" instead before you post.


Unacceptable? Ha! He already yielded the argument; he merely pointed out what you presented yourself to be.
Is the title of this thread: your opinions on other forumites? Is it in the Off Topic forum? Because if it's not then it's trolling and you just keep trolling and I just keep feeding the troll.
 

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History is my strong subject, I have a First Class BA Honours in the subject ... and still know bugger all about pre-colonial India lol.
That's a gap in your learning, not the history.
Alexander the Great? That's sometime B.C lol the earliest this game starts is the 800's AD. Like I said, I never read anything involving the CK2 period that mentioned India lol.
You've never heard of the Samanids? They're right there on the map in the 867 start? Or the Khwarezmids in the 1200s, who were a huge player in the rise of the Mongols? Both had a ton of territory extending off the current map, and were formerly part of the Seleucids that split off from Alexander.

Never mind the Kushan Empire, who lasted hundreds of years and had diplomatic ties to the Roman Empire. Or their successors in the Gupta Empire, which introduced advanced mathematics to Islam 400 years before the Europeans bothered trying to become familiar with it.
Really? The Historians? Really?
Yes, really.

But still, in terms of this game, and how it plays ... this is a weird DLC decision that I do not like and still cannot understand why people who enjoy CK2 base would then jump to wanting this.
Because it's variety aka the spice of life, and it makes a lot of sense for those who don't just like "Crusader" feudalism, especially since it's a concept introduced in SE Asia.
 

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Dissapointing...

So much wrong with the current game, (small things as bugs, hordes, cadet branches, balancing and bigger things as the HRE) I find it bizarre to invent a whole new part of the game, that has ZERO to do with Crusader Kings... I would have been happy if they had used some time on building a more interesting game with economics and trade, currently missing!
Why not just make a new game playing in Asia?

This. Also, I want complicated disease mechanics (Black Death), deepened diplomacy options, non-military monasticism.... Even SoA didn't fully address the intricacies of Islam, Christianity, and finally added Judaism.
 

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Dissapointing...

So much wrong with the current game, (small things as bugs, hordes, cadet branches, balancing and bigger things as the HRE) I find it bizarre to invent a whole new part of the game, that has ZERO to do with Crusader Kings... I would have been happy if they had used some time on building a more interesting game with economics and trade, currently missing!
Why not just make a new game playing in Asia?

And what does Japan had to do with Europa Universalis?
And a new game wouldn't sell well. They tried it with Sengoku.
 

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Times of India is always an interesting read, Australia never seems to feature well in it though. :(
Interesting? More like utterly irritating...


The comments section is usually more extremist than the Daily Mail's.
 

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Oh God,imagine all the uproar and calls for nerfing because of the buginess.
 

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There's plenty of cool stuff that could be done with this new area. The Muslim conquest and the tension between ancient Indian religions and the new upstart Arabian one are really good.

The problem is that they obviously don't have nearly enough time to give the region that kind of depth. They already have their hands full just getting the basics in there -- a bigger map is basically all they have time to do. There is no way that we're getting any sort of truly deep gameplay out of this, because they simply don't have enough time.

This expansion will literally only add provinces, a handful of events, three "new" religions, and fodder for portrait/music/unit packs.
 

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Did you not notice that half the Indian nations at EUIV's start are Muslim? These things didn't happen overnight...

I think it all happened on a Tuesday.


But, nah ... half of India's not Muslim by 1444 start. Less than a third of cored Hindustan is actually ... based on looking at the religion mapmode just now. Hard researcher, me.
 

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Except it wasn't Johan...
I may be wrong, but I do recall prior to the release of SoA it was Johan who said Decadence was going to be fixed. We were complaining about Decadence (as usual) and how SoA is the perfect opportunity to fix/overhaul Decadence, to which Johan said they were working on Decadence but couldn't squeeze it into SoA due to time constraint.

...and it was a over year after the Muslim DLC. That's how much it mattered.
PDS didn't fix Decadence all this time most likely because they still (foolishly) considered it WAD. The frequent, continuous, and extensive complaints on this forum over the year eventually gave them enough incentive to revisit the system.
 

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I think it all happened on a Tuesday.


But, nah ... half of India's not Muslim by 1444 start. Less than a third of cored Hindustan is actually ... based on looking at the religion mapmode just now. Hard researcher, me.
The subcontinent is mostly under Muslim rule though.

And the province religions are really inaccurate anyway.
 

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I may be wrong, but I do recall prior to the release of SoA it was Johan who said Decadence was going to be fixed. We were complaining about Decadence (as usual) and how SoA is the perfect opportunity to fix/overhaul Decadence, to which Johan said they were working on Decadence but couldn't squeeze it into SoA due to time constraint.

It was Wiz IIRC.
 

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I may be wrong, but I do recall prior to the release of SoA it was Johan who said Decadence was going to be fixed. We were complaining about Decadence (as usual) and how SoA is the perfect opportunity to fix/overhaul Decadence, to which Johan said they were working on Decadence but couldn't squeeze it into SoA due to time constraint.
You recall wrong: it was one of the actual CK devs (Johan does not work on this game). Which, admittedly, makes this information more reliable.
PDS didn't fix Decadence all this time most likely because they still (foolishly) considered it WAD. The frequent, continuous, and extensive complaints on this forum over the year eventually gave them enough incentive to revisit the system.
I gess all we can do is agree to disagree on what their reasons were. I find it hard to believe that they were in such deep denial and believe it was negligence. You believe otherwise. That's all. But the fix still isn't here yet, months after the post about the fix.