Rain does not seem to help put out forest fires?

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It does not appear that rain helps to put out forest fires. o_O

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The choppers came, and tried to put it out. Despite the rain, it burned all the way up. I think it just burned itself out in the end.
 

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I've noticed that as well. I help put out the fires if they're too big using the add water source mod. I make a small water source then delete it, which floods and puts the fire out rather quickly. :) It's not elegant, but then fighting a raging forest fire isn't either.

I have tried the forest fire mod, but means clicking on the options and searching in the list of mods for it. Plopping a small water source, yeah, I shrink it down as small as it can be, is actually faster. Since there's not a lot of water, it's not as bad as a real flood, and the water tank trucks do a good job removing any floodwaters in the end.
 

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there's a mod that allows rain to extinguish fires, but it's not implemented in the game natively.

Yes. I've used it and have it installed, but when you have a lot of mods installed it can be difficult to find in your list which only allows the fire to spread.

If anything the forest fires should be toned down a bit and, or even better be based on weather conditions which would make more sense. If there hasn't been much rain for a few CIM days then there's an increased chance for forest fires, otherwise, the chance is lowered.
 

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i find that i get no warnings of a fire...when i have plenty of detection coverage and copter coverage. LOL it's like...i'll be scrolling around my city...and find a burnt spot that wasn't there before....
 

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i find that i get no warnings of a fire...when i have plenty of detection coverage and copter coverage. LOL it's like...i'll be scrolling around my city...and find a burnt spot that wasn't there before....
Usually these start as building fires that spread to trees, or from a lightning strike. You will only get a warning in case of an actual forest fire disaster.
 

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Apparently, rain isn't enough to put out a forest fire.

An interesting read, but I didn't actually say I thought it should put it out, I said I thought it should help, and It didn't seem to. That said I have nothing to compare to in order to be sure it did not slow the spread. :)
 

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An interesting read, but I didn't actually say I thought it should put it out, I said I thought it should help, and It didn't seem to. That said I have nothing to compare to in order to be sure it did not slow the spread. :)

Maybe putting in a fire break so that the fire doesn't completely wipe out more than it should. If a fire starts in the forested area, bulldoze a wide swath around it so the flames don't spread. Once the fire is out, replant the trees if you want where you bulldozed them.

Fire breaks do exist in real life except they extend for many, many miles.
 

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It takes very heavy rain to put out an actual forest fire. I live in BC and we get some doozies in the summer months. One in, I think 2005 almost burned down a huge part of Kelowna. Though I lived in Vernon at the time the smoke was all over the Okanagan.

Very hot fires actually burn the water, that's why they mostly use a special foam instead of water to fight these fires, and focus on fire breaks and the like, often controlled burning in front of the fire is the best way, but while huge dumps of water like from a tanker plane or helicopter can have a small area of effect, it takes a solid week of rain to, not put out a fire, but to render the fuel the fire would grow to encompass to wet to catch on fire easily, thus slowing the fire down. The fire in such a case dies to attrition, burning out all the fuel it had already grabbed with nowhere to go.

In short, rain does not put out forest fires, it merely slows or stops their growth. I am talking any sort of average rainfall. Historic record breaking rain probably would have an effect if it was prolonged and will certainly help put out the fire as it diminishes do to running out of fuel.
 

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In short, rain does not put out forest fires, it merely slows or stops their growth.

So one might say it "helps" to put out the fire?
 

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So one might say it "helps" to put out the fire?

No. It helps stop the fire from growing, that's not the same thing as putting it out. Like I said really torrential rain (not represented in this game), will put out a fire over time, but it's rare to even have fires that become large in areas that get torrential rain on a reliable basis.
 

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No. It helps stop the fire from growing, that's not the same thing as putting it out. Like I said really torrential rain (not represented in this game), will put out a fire over time, but it's rare to even have fires that become large in areas that get torrential rain on a reliable basis.

Exactly... July 2012 in South Dakota. This is a high based supercell which had baseball sized hail and torrential rains, but did not put out the forest fire it caused by its numerous lightning strikes. The light red-orange area in the background is not sun, it's the glow from the fire which flared up after the lightning hit the pine trees.



 

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It helps stop the fire from growing, that's not the same thing as putting it out.

I agree 100% with that statement, as do all of my other posts on this subject. I never said anything to the contrary.

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To help is to assist. I am really not sure how else to interpret it.
 

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Having the fire not spread as fast would somehow be unhelpful then? :p