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I was reading this thread after a long time, and I still think some of the points aren't solved.
I was reading this thread after a long time, and I still think some of the points aren't solved.
I think that's a great suggestion. After all, the rest of the world never really had navies in the sense the Europeans did. Additionally, what fleets they did have were pathetic--the Portugese took control of the entire Indian Ocean spice trade with ~50 - 75 caravels.Isaac Brock said:Potentially everyone outside Europe could be made more land to reduce their tradin efficiency.
You can't start an embargo by event. EVen if you could the AI would probably drop it.berhaven said:For the "dominance on long range trading" the only thing I can think as working properly is an event-driven authomatic embargo on everybody when an European power seizes (or gets) an overseas CoT, with all the implications of embargoes (creates CB and so on).
They cannotI do not remember whether or not goods produced can be changed by events.
But this isn't addressing trade at all, as tax levels have no effect on trade (except for the tax values of COT provinces).If it is not possible, then we have to think how we can act on it. Could be just working on tax levels.
berhaven said:This can be true for the XVIII century, once the trade level of a Trader State player can be 8 or more. It does not to be very true for - say - Portugal in early XVI century, i.e. the time when historically they had their golden era. The chance and cost of getting (and keeping) a monopoly in Malacca once they own it is likely to disrupt its economy.
Isaac Brock said:You can't start an embargo by event. EVen if you could the AI would probably drop it.
They cannot
But this isn't addressing trade at all, as tax levels have no effect on trade (except for the tax values of COT provinces).
I'm not as convinced that there isn't a problem as PE is. When it is immensely more favourable for Portugal to go after Brazil as soon as possible rather than explore to India, something is very wrong. However, I cannot think of much that can be done.
Zander said:Maybe editing the tech files is the solution? It sounds like what you want is a bigger impact for early trade levels, and an equal or even smaller impact for the later levels. IIRC, the current model works in reverse, where trade 4 isn't much better than trade 3, but trade 9 has a gigantic bonus over trade 7.
Sun_Zi_36 said:the effectiveness of merchants of each level i believe is hardcoded. so you cannot change it.
Yes. The trade level is not important - the trade efficiency is.Isaac Brock said:Isn't it simply related to trade efficiency? So (for instance) by having refineries eveywhere you could make Euro traders better. Not that I'd advocate such a change
Sun_Zi_36 said:the effectiveness of merchants of each level i believe is hardcoded. so you cannot change it. the only thing you could do is increase all of europe's trade tech, at the risk of unknown effects to gameplay.
yes, i thought it was the trade level rather than trade efficiency that is important. so it is changeable. but bcoz of that editing tech files is no different from putting all europeans at a higher tech level anyway (except ability to do a few tricks), and then it would probably mess up everything in the gameplay just as it would if all europeans start at higher trade tech. i dont think it's worth testing really. for the small benefit of europeans doing better in foreign markets, you have to increase all europeans' trade tech or trade eff in the trade tech, to whichever level that is tested to not affect gameplay, and not knowing whether it will actually help. but i guess someone might like to try.Zander said:I was under the impression that there were data files for technology, which include the base TE for each trade level. I could certainly be wrong, though, as I've never tried editing tech files. (We did discuss doing that for land tech, though, yes?)
doktarr said:Isn't this discussion pointless? I think we've established that there is no consensus that Europeans need any help in dominating Asian markets. The only thing that may need modification is the trading AIs.