Quill18- HoI4 impressions

[Denkt]

In HOI3 you could just set up the AI to march to Moscow, and it would actually succeed. Why play HOI3? Maybe because there was an option to influence the game in more substantial way, aside from the option to just sit and watch the AI do all your business. What if it is same with HOI4? There is an option to just let the AI handle it all, or control things in more nuanced way.

They have probably improved ai quite a bit from that level.

 

[fabius]

And he also said they you could influence the end positioning. That doesn`t mean you have to draw the new front line very far away, you can draw a new front line to be a pocket 3 provinces away, right?

What if, you tried to draw something more nuanced then a new front line 500 km away?

I'd imagine so. As early information said that we can plan phases and press execute to each phase when we are ready to.

 

[Mamluke]

Because you can't organize your army. From what I've heard there is no OOB at all, so every unit will be a separate thing on the map. Sure, it will be easier for CK2/EU4 players to manage but for me it kills the whole immersion, along with the Playdough map and stupid looking counters. And inb4 "modders will fix it!" - I'd rather get a complete game at start.

Not to mention I want a game that's better than the previous one, not merely adequate. At this point I fail to see how the HOI4 combat system will be even on par with DH. What they should have done is refined the HOI3 land combat system, not just cut it out and replaced it with Arrow Simulator 2015.

this accusations are baseless...

in HOI III, as Germany, to create an army HQ to attack Poland (for exemple) you needed to select 4 or 5 Divisions, create an HQ for it, select another 4 or 5 divisions, create an HQ for it, repeat until you have 5 core HQs, then create an army HQ, then select the core HQs and attach them to the army.

In HOI IV, you select the 22-25 divisions with ONE click, "create" an army HQ (that is what it represents in this exemple), select a General, and DONE, the difference? in HOI III you needed 15 - 20 clicks, in HOI IV you need just 2-3....

..and what the Hell is your beef with arrows? how is the green doot of HOI III any better?
do you forget the frustration when the AI of HOI IIII decides to attack a major city (like Kurst or Paris) head on instead of trying to encircle it 1st!?

with arrows, you can select the path on were you want your army to go! you can decide the Border the Army should defend instead of just praying the HQ below theater would choose the Border Correctly...
you have more Controll with HOI IV then you could HAVER have in HOI III, with much more effienct AI to Boot!

 

[PlacidDragon]

That doesn`t mean you have to draw the new front line very far away, you can draw a new front line to be a pocket 3 provinces away, right?

Well, of course, if that is what you want to do. My understanding is that you can draw anything anywhere (more or less), be it 20 or 2000 km's away from your current position.

 

[Oakfan]

damn I step away from my computer for a couple hours and I miss all the good stuff!!

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm taking this that I wrote back. I did probably missinterpret the 2nd post in the thread. Sorry for this.

 

[Dinglehoff]

Lol they pay for Quills trip to sweden and he repays them with a bad review.

Anyway I don't think Quill is qualified to review HoI4, he has only played 1 game in HoI3 on his channel as republican spain.

In Hoi3 you can automate everything too if you want to , or you can micro manage every thing. Just like in HoI4.
So I dont understand his criticism. Of course it is better to have the option to automate your armies if you want to, than not having that option.

There's been a big problem in games journalism with reviewers getting perk incentives to review a game product favorably. Your comment seems to suggest that this practice is to be expected and is ethical.

I'll watch it if it goes back up; but some automation can't be a bad thing if the player's attention is required elsewhere, otherwise the game will grind to a halt.

 

[f1nalstand17]

I really hope that they still have arrows.

 

[wingo]

Well, he did like what he saw so technically he did a positive preview. It's just that some people on this forum don't like what he said (or what they think he said or what they read he said) and jump to conclusions. Accidentally, while playing with Poland and chatting with devs, he did not notice that France was attacking him until they took Berlin :rofl:
Another genious move by the AI after Ethiopia annexing half of Italy, so prepare for more AI surprises! The glass is either half empty or half full, depending on your mood. Drink wine, relax, wait for the stream in good mood :happy:

 

[DrZoidberg]

There's been a big problem in games journalism with reviewers getting perk incentives to review a game product favorably. Your comment seems to suggest that this practice is to be expected and is ethical.

I'll watch it if it goes back up; but some automation can't be a bad thing if the player's attention is required elsewhere, otherwise the game will grind to a halt.

I'm taking this that I wrote back. I did probably make missinterpret the 2nd post in the thread. Sorry for this.

 

[Dinglehoff]

I haven't seen the video so I shouldn't say to much.
But my grandma used to say:
"If you don't have anything nice to say, better not say anything at all."

A nice sentiment; but Quill18 and other big time LPers are in what you might call the "opinion" media business. As a hobby, job, or career, that's what it is part of.

 

[Oakfan]

I am still interested in his comments.......

 

[badd]

Lol they pay for Quills trip to sweden and he repays them with a bad review.

Anyway I don't think Quill is qualified to review HoI4, he has only played 1 game in HoI3 on his channel as republican spain.

In Hoi3 you can automate everything too if you want to , or you can micro manage every thing. Just like in HoI4.
So I dont understand his criticism. Of course it is better to have the option to automate your armies if you want to, than not having that option.

What are you talking about? What "bad review"? Did you watch the video? He actually liked the game. And you can hardly call a 10 minute video that was just a first impression based on an hour of playing a "review".

 

[TheDerpyBeagle]

I think a mixture of manual movement and the battleplan thing is good. Say for example, you want to fall back to a position in a mountain range or on a river or whatever. Wouldn't it be much easier to select all your units then have a new front line made there, without having to move each and every unit? I intend to use the system as just an organizational thing. Or perhaps, you are fighting on like 3 fronts, and on one of them you know that you can win and don't want to waste your time when you have more important fronts. Just make a battleplan, let the AI do its work, and focus manually on your most important front without having to pause the game every few seconds to check up on how all of your troops are doing.

 

[DrZoidberg]

What are you talking about? What "bad review"? Did you watch the video? He actually liked the game. And you can hardly call a 10 minute video that was just a first impression based on an hour of playing a "review".

I'm taking this that I wrote back. I did probably make missinterpret the 2nd post in the thread. Sorry for this.

So incase Shynka is not writing a summary of what Quill wrote i take everything back.
But man he should really edit his post if it isnt a summary.

 

[Curious]

I don't know if the now-unavailable original video answers this question, but how did the creator of that video get his hands on a copy of HOI4? Is he a member of the HOI4 dev team? And why is the video no longer accessible by us mere mortals?

 

[Caesar15]

I don't know if the now-unavailable original video answers this question, but how did the creator of that video get his hands on a copy of HOI4? Is he a member of the HOI4 dev team? And why is the video no longer accessible by us mere mortals?

He gets stuff before it come out because he makes popular videos on said games.

 

[f1nalstand17]

I don't know if the now-unavailable original video answers this question, but how did the creator of that video get his hands on a copy of HOI4? Is he a member of the HOI4 dev team? And why is the video no longer accessible by us mere mortals?

Quill18 is a pretty well known Lper on Youtube, and he frequently plays Paradox games such as EU4 and CKII, and was invited to this years PDXCON, so I guess he was also invited to try it out a bit.

 

[Curious]

Thanks for the replies. Is the video by quill18 (that used to be available) on the first post of this thread available somewhere? I couldn't find it on YouTube.

 

[gianlucad]

Well, if all you get to do is draw arrows then what's the point of having a bazillion provinces? :S