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Hello people! Quick question incoming!

Should i invade Mother Russia?

Some stats
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MUH GERMONEY:
GP Rank: 3
Prestige Points: 545 (#2)
Industry Power: 236 (#3)
Military Power: 255 (#2)

MOTHER RUSSIA:
GP Rank: 8
Prestige Points: 169
Industry Power: 121
Military Power 43

My objective: Take Sweden from their sphere of influence, and maybe acquire a state.
more info: Serbia is allied with Russia. Romania is satellite of Ottoman Empire.

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(i know it wasn't that quick, sorry, i can't make more threads :/)
 

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Should i invade Mother Russia?
Always. If Russia is allied to France... Invade them! If Russia is allied to the Ottoman Empire... Invade them! If Russia is allied to both... Invade them!
You can beat them. It only gets slightly difficult when having to fight Russia, France and Austria when you are regular Germany. By the way, you could instead take two states from Russia, Malopolskie and Wielkopolskie.
Edit: You are playing vanilla Victoria II (no AHD or HoD), which I have never played, but if Germany is as powerful there as with the expansions, I think you could win.
 

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Hey there.

I usually play as Austria and I was wondering about literacy, clergymen, consciousness, etc. in eastern empires (Austria, Russia, Ottomans). I usually encourage clergymen with NFs until 2% in every provinces, but what to do after that? Which worth more?

1. I keep education slider at 100% and clergymen will eventually increase almost to 4% in decades. The results are faster literacy increase, but less consciousness and therefore less plurality (which is essential for Research points) and tons of "wasted" money on clergymen. Only a few political (and no social) reforms until 1900. From that time, because of the last social thought - tech, consciousness starts to increase and I can enact reforms fast.

2. I keep number of clergymen at 2%, I save tons of money, the events in the first 2 decades will give many consciousness (with Austria), so it will be a less "zombie" population with a good research speed because of higher plurality. I may even use the Liberal Party only not to get the authoritarianism invention (-0.02 CON) from Ideological Thought tech at least until I leave the Absoulute Monarchy gov. form behind. This is a more cost-efficient and interesting way with more research points till 1870 than the 1st option. However, it results in more problematic nationalist movements and a little bit more revolt risk because of unliked gov. type (non-conservative) as well as a seriously lower literacy rate (which causes less research points in the late game, I think?). However, I am saving money, so I may be satisfied with less industry and commerce techs.

I think doing the 2nd option with conservative party brings no real benefits, as the -0.02 CON invention comes in, eventually CON goes down, so no CON and no literacy has no benefits.

I think the 2nd option is only doable with Austria but not with Russia and the Ottomans because the 2 others don't have so many CON increasing historical events at beginning, and russian liberal party is Laissez Faire which is disastrous in early game, while the Ottoman liberal party is pacifist which is suicidal.

What do you think?

Edit: I am also wondering about that 2% clergymen rate with all countries. If there is an event which gives CON to pops, it will decrease slowly, so it may result in more plurality and faster reforms maybe even school and health care reforms.

I would like to try that some day, if I'll have enough time. Now, before that, thank you for help, any experience?
 
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Super Germany vs Mother Russia results:


cold winter killed my troops, not, really. It was so hard to survive in Russia. Those jacobins raised up every time in ALL OF MY CITIES! (danzig reactionaries, austrian nacionalists, etc), even if i make reforms! (i never had problems of this type). I managed to occupy 25% of Russia's territories, but no brigades showed up to fight with. I only have a warscore of 10, even if i occupy large quantities of Russian territories :(
 

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Super Germany vs Mother Russia results:


cold winter killed my troops, not, really. It was so hard to survive in Russia. Those jacobins raised up every time in ALL OF MY CITIES! (danzig reactionaries, austrian nacionalists, etc), even if i make reforms! (i never had problems of this type). I managed to occupy 25% of Russia's territories, but no brigades showed up to fight with. I only have a warscore of 10, even if i occupy large quantities of Russian territories :(

If it's any consolation, Hitler and Napoleon also tried and failed to conquer Russia ;)

Well done for trying though, I believe Russia is really hard purely because of its' size. Don't know if you tried to increase war score by ship blockades and occupying their capital?
 

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Super Germany vs Mother Russia results:


cold winter killed my troops, not, really. It was so hard to survive in Russia. Those jacobins raised up every time in ALL OF MY CITIES! (danzig reactionaries, austrian nacionalists, etc), even if i make reforms! (i never had problems of this type). I managed to occupy 25% of Russia's territories, but no brigades showed up to fight with. I only have a warscore of 10, even if i occupy large quantities of Russian territories :(
Sorry...
Do you have their capital? Most war score against Russia usually comes from battles, but you have not had many battles. Who are they allied to? Can you white peace their allies?
 

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When I build a ship, my stockpile costs go up while the initial goods are collected, but I see no per-day costs while construction is in progress. Is this cost somewhere else, not in the stockpile? If there are no other costs, then most ships' daily maintenance costs appear to be > 1/100 their construction costs. Which would mean I would better off not having a navy whenever I'm confident I won't need it.

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By using "Conquest" CB is it possible to conquer in single war entire uncivilized nation regardless of size ? That would seem pretty unbalanced as it would allow entire Persia or Japan to be easily conquered by a GP.
 

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By using "Conquest" CB is it possible to conquer in single war entire uncivilized nation regardless of size ? That would seem pretty unbalanced as it would allow entire Persia or Japan to be easily conquered by a GP.
Yes, you can conquer entire nations with the conquest cb, but you can just fabricate one if they have 4 or less states. Therefore you cannot annex Persia or Japan before you weaken them by taking states from them.
 

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What would prevent me from running perpetualy on debt ? From what i understand its not possible to run out of credit sources, so why couldnt i just pay old loans with new ones ?
 

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What would prevent me from running perpetualy on debt ? From what i understand its not possible to run out of credit sources, so why couldnt i just pay old loans with new ones ?
Loans do not expire in Vic2. However, they cause monthly interest, until you repay them. Running constantly negative will get you to a point, where you've eaten all spare money the world has, and you go bankrupt.