Quick fix for Romania's National Focus Tree issue - Working fascist leaders rotation.

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AlextheSwift

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In NSB, Paradox added Corneliu Codreanu to the game, however, due to the way he is added, it makes it impossible to complete the focus tree to the end of it if you want to play with Corneliu Codreanu or Octavian Goga. And now, you will lose Ion Antonescu as Chief or Army & Field Marshal if you decide to pick him.

The changes makes Romania's National Focus Tree work as following:
- You start with Corneliu Codreanu as fascist leader.
- After you take the focus "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" you get Fascist Demagogue & fascist leader Octavian Goga.
- After you take the focus "Iron Guard" to get fascist leader Ion Antonescu but lose him as General/Chief of Staff.
Codreanu.png


The issues with these is that:
- If you want to play with Corneliu Codreanu, you have to stop at before "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" as that focus changes the fascist leader.
- Given that you need "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" for the Fascist Demagogue it makes it rather difficult to turn to fascism with Corneliu Codreanu as your leader.
- If you want to play with Octavian Goga, you have to stop at before "Iron Guard" as that focus changes the fascist leader.
- Because of these, you can't play with Corneliu Codreanu or Octavian Goga and end up taking the Forced Abdication focus or King Michael's Coup.
- Minor nations already have a few generals to begin with, having one removed isn't so fun gameplay-wise.
Remove the "Ion Antonescu stops being Chief of Army" and "Ion Antonescu stops being Field Marshal" when taking the "Iron Guard" focus.

download%20-%202021-11-24T130458.029.png

Gameplay-wise: it's not fun to have a general removed when you only have 5.
History-wise: Being a Field Marshal, Ion Antonescu did draw battleplans (Chief of Army) and commanded the army during the liberation of Bessarabia (Field Marshal) while being Dictator. So a case could be made that it make sense to have him as Chief of Army & Field Marshal while in power, as he wansn't only nominally.

To make the rotation of Romania's fascist leaders more fun and fix the issues at the same time, I suggest the following Romania National Focus Tree change:
SC5e8H3.png


The changes in the Romanian National Focus Tree would work as following:
- You start with Corneliu Codreanu as fascist leader.
- If you take the Night of the Vampires focus (historical, and yes that is what the night is called), Corneliu Codreanu is assasinated and Ion Antonescu becomes the new leader of the Iron Guard (historically, it's much more complicated than that, but I don't wish to turn this into a complete overhaul). You also lose -50% fascist popularity due to 14 Iron Guard leaders being assassinated.
- The Iron Guard focus doesn't change leaders anymore, it just gives you the Iron Guard national spirit.
- The LANC (my mistake, it should have been called PNC) replaces the "Iron Guard" with the "PNC" and Octavian Goga becomes the leader.

And since each political party in Romania has its own national spirit:
Democratic -> Constitutional Guarantees (+5.00% factory output)
Communist -> Securitate (Foreign suversive activities -40%, damage to garrsions -10%)
Fascist Iron Guard -> Iron Guard (Foreign suversive activities -20%, damage to garrsions -20%, core defense +5%, core attack +5%)
NEW: Fascist LANC -> Lancierii (meaning "Lance-bearers", their paramilitary units) (damage to garrsions -10%, core defense +10%, core attack +10%)

I also considered adding something to make each leader feel unique, not just copies of each other, therefore the traits based on their personality:
- Corneliu Codreanu was very stubborn in his ideas, when he was a student he went to study in Munich, Germany, and he would frequent a certain bar called Bürgerbräukeller, listening to the speeches of a certain Adolf Hitler. When he came back from Germany, he bought swastikas from the nazis and gave them as souvenirs to his fellow students. In 1934 he said that "If he would be in charge, Romania would make an alliance with Germany within 48 hours". So I found "Headstrong" fitting for him.
- Ion Antonescu was anything but an ideological fanatic. He was a pragmatist and a military man. The only reason he took power in the first place was because King Carol II managed to lose 1/3rd of Romania to the Soviet-German alliance. When he took control of Romania he moved towards the Axis in order to protect what was left of Romania, and then joined the Barbarossa offensive to take back Bessarabia & North Bukovina from USSR, and then continued over the Dniper in hopes that Adolf Hitler would reconsider the 2nd Vienna Award and give North Transylvania back to Romania (to which Adolf Hitler hinted, but it may have been just to make Hungary & Romania outplay each other). So I found "Maresal" fitting for him.

Found this gem:

- Octavian Goga was a fascist but more than anything a royalist. He was put in charge by King Carol II as prime minister and would also be taken down by King Carol II when the realised that Octavian Goga was too fascist for his own liking. So I found "Royal Puppet" fitting for him.

I took inspiration from this thread:

Only 1 thing needs to be changed in the AI strategy to make historical AI get Ion Antonescu, with no further ramifications or unexpected consequences:
ai_national_focuses = {
ROM_preserve_greater_romania
ROM_army_maneuvers
ROM_expand_the_air_force
ROM_civil_works
ROM_agrarian_reform
ROM_local_development
ROM_army_war_college
ROM_danubian_transport_network
ROM_malaxa
ROM_institute_royal_dictatorship
ROM_revise_the_constitution
ROM_flexible_foreign_policy
ROM_air_superiority
ROM_expand_the_galati_shipyards
ROM_trade_treaty_with_germany
ROM_iar_80
ROM_night_of_the_vampires (removed: ROM_appoint_allied_friendly_government)
ROM_cas
ROM_royal_guards_divisions
ROM_the_zb_53
ROM_vanatori_de_munte
ROM_hunedoara_steel_works
ROM_appoint_german_friendly_government
ROM_invite_german_advisors
ROM_iron_guard
ROM_force_abdication
ROM_join_axis
ROM_the_armored_division
ROM_expand_ploiesti_oil_production
ROM_german_romanian_oil_exploitation_company
ROM_expand_the_university_of_bucharest
ROM_acquire_modern_tanks
ROM_invest_in_the_iar
ROM_artillery_modernization
ROM_mobile_tank_destroyers
ROM_mountain_artillery
ROM_coastal_defense_navy
ROM_modern_destroyers
ROM_the_maresal
}
To summarize:
1. Add a new "Night of the Vampires" focus where the old "King Michael's Coup" was located that assassinates Codreanu, replaces him with Ion Antonescu, and makes the fascist party lose 50% popularity.
2. Remove the "Ion Antonescu stops being Chief of Army" and "Ion Antonescu stops being Field Marshal" from "Iron Guard" focus.
3. Add a new "PNC" (in picture: LANC) focus below "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" and next to "Iron Guard" that replaces the "Iron Guard" with "PNC" and fascist leader with Octavian Goga. It also gives the national spirit "Lancierii" that gives: damage to garrsions -10%, core defense +10%, core attack +10% (or you decide what works best here for gameplay balance)
4. Replace the "ROM_appoint_allied_friendly_government" with "ROM_night_of_the_vampires" in Romania's strategy file so they would get Ion Antonescu.
Optional: add different traits for leaders: Corneliu Codreanu - Headstrong; Ion Antonescu - Maresal; Octavian Goga - Royal Puppet.

What do you think?
 
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Such good suggestions to a nation that now is rather, erhm lets say just not as fun. Please can we have a look into this? At least a response
 
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lele48

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In NSB, Paradox added Corneliu Codreanu to the game, however, due to the way he is added, it makes it impossible to complete the focus tree to the end of it if you want to play with Corneliu Codreanu or Octavian Goga. And now, you will lose Ion Antonescu as Chief or Army & Field Marshal if you decide to pick him.

The changes makes Romania's National Focus Tree work as following:
- You start with Corneliu Codreanu as fascist leader.
- After you take the focus "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" you get Fascist Demagogue & fascist leader Octavian Goga.
- After you take the focus "Iron Guard" to get fascist leader Ion Antonescu but lose him as General/Chief of Staff.
Codreanu.png


The issues with these is that:
- If you want to play with Corneliu Codreanu, you have to stop at before "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" as that focus changes the fascist leader.
- Given that you need "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" for the Fascist Demagogue it makes it rather difficult to turn to fascism with Corneliu Codreanu as your leader.
- If you want to play with Octavian Goga, you have to stop at before "Iron Guard" as that focus changes the fascist leader.
- Because of these, you can't play with Corneliu Codreanu or Octavian Goga and end up taking the Forced Abdication focus or King Michael's Coup.
- Minor nations already have a few generals to begin with, having one removed isn't so fun gameplay-wise.
Remove the "Ion Antonescu stops being Chief of Army" and "Ion Antonescu stops being Field Marshal" when taking the "Iron Guard" focus.

download%20-%202021-11-24T130458.029.png

Gameplay-wise: it's not fun to have a general removed when you only have 5.
History-wise: Being a Field Marshal, Ion Antonescu did draw battleplans (Chief of Army) and commanded the army during the liberation of Bessarabia (Field Marshal) while being Dictator. So a case could be made that it make sense to have him as Chief of Army & Field Marshal while in power, as he wansn't only nominally.

To make the rotation of Romania's fascist leaders more fun and fix the issues at the same time, I suggest the following Romania National Focus Tree change:
SC5e8H3.png


The changes in the Romanian National Focus Tree would work as following:
- You start with Corneliu Codreanu as fascist leader.
- If you take the Night of the Vampires focus (historical, and yes that is what the night is called), Corneliu Codreanu is assasinated and Ion Antonescu becomes the new leader of the Iron Guard (historically, it's much more complicated than that, but I don't wish to turn this into a complete overhaul). You also lose -50% fascist popularity due to 14 Iron Guard leaders being assassinated.
- The Iron Guard focus doesn't change leaders anymore, it just gives you the Iron Guard national spirit.
- The LANC (my mistake, it should have been called PNC) replaces the "Iron Guard" with the "PNC" and Octavian Goga becomes the leader.

And since each political party in Romania has its own national spirit:
Democratic -> Constitutional Guarantees (+5.00% factory output)
Communist -> Securitate (Foreign suversive activities -40%, damage to garrsions -10%)
Fascist Iron Guard -> Iron Guard (Foreign suversive activities -20%, damage to garrsions -20%, core defense +5%, core attack +5%)
NEW: Fascist LANC -> Lancierii (meaning "Lance-bearers", their paramilitary units) (damage to garrsions -10%, core defense +10%, core attack +10%)

I also considered adding something to make each leader feel unique, not just copies of each other, therefore the traits based on their personality:
- Corneliu Codreanu was very stubborn in his ideas, when he was a student he went to study in Munich, Germany, and he would frequent a certain bar called Bürgerbräukeller, listening to the speeches of a certain Adolf Hitler. When he came back from Germany, he bought swastikas from the nazis and gave them as souvenirs to his fellow students. In 1934 he said that "If he would be in charge, Romania would make an alliance with Germany within 48 hours". So I found "Headstrong" fitting for him.
- Ion Antonescu was anything but an ideological fanatic. He was a pragmatist and a military man. The only reason he took power in the first place was because King Carol II managed to lose 1/3rd of Romania to the Soviet-German alliance. When he took control of Romania he moved towards the Axis in order to protect what was left of Romania, and then joined the Barbarossa offensive to take back Bessarabia & North Bukovina from USSR, and then continued over the Dniper in hopes that Adolf Hitler would reconsider the 2nd Vienna Award and give North Transylvania back to Romania (to which Adolf Hitler hinted, but it may have been just to make Hungary & Romania outplay each other). So I found "Maresal" fitting for him.

Found this gem:

- Octavian Goga was a fascist but more than anything a royalist. He was put in charge by King Carol II as prime minister and would also be taken down by King Carol II when the realised that Octavian Goga was too fascist for his own liking. So I found "Royal Puppet" fitting for him.

I took inspiration from this thread:

Only 1 thing needs to be changed in the AI strategy to make historical AI get Ion Antonescu, with no further ramifications or unexpected consequences:

To summarize:

1. Add a new "Night of the Vampires" focus where the old "King Michael's Coup" was located that assassinates Codreanu, replaces him with Ion Antonescu, and makes the fascist party lose 50% popularity.
2. Remove the "Ion Antonescu stops being Chief of Army" and "Ion Antonescu stops being Field Marshal" from "Iron Guard" focus.
3. Add a new "PNC" (in picture: LANC) focus below "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" and next to "Iron Guard" that replaces the "Iron Guard" with "PNC" and fascist leader with Octavian Goga. It also gives the national spirit "Lancierii" that gives: damage to garrsions -10%, core defense +10%, core attack +10% (or you decide what works best here for gameplay balance)
4. Replace the "ROM_appoint_allied_friendly_government" with "ROM_night_of_the_vampires" in Romania's strategy file so they would get Ion Antonescu.
Optional: add different traits for leaders: Corneliu Codreanu - Headstrong; Ion Antonescu - Maresal; Octavian Goga - Royal Puppet.

What do you think?
Finally someone that remembers the Lancierii ❤️ allow me to say that your suggestion is quite interesting and also quite accurate :) i would have just made things more fun by making the choice as to which of the fascists you want mutually exclusive, like you either choose antonescu or goga in a mutually exclusive way, and each small branch had their respective bonuses, like for example if i choose antonescu the next focus that i pick in his branch gives me athe iron guard and then maybe you can go forced abdication etc. Instead if you go for Goga, the next focus will be the lancierii and then maybe a focus that support the monarchy or something like that. What do you think? I'm not asking for massive stuff, just minor things. Sorry if it doesn't make much sense or it's explained poorly ^^;
 
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AlextheSwift

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Finally someone that remembers the Lancierii ❤️ allow me to say that your suggestion is quite interesting and also quite accurate :) i would have just made things more fun by making the choice as to which of the fascists you want mutually exclusive, like you either choose antonescu or goga in a mutually exclusive way, and each small branch had their respective bonuses, like for example if i choose antonescu the next focus that i pick in his branch gives me athe iron guard and then maybe you can go forced abdication etc. Instead if you go for Goga, the next focus will be the lancierii and then maybe a focus that support the monarchy or something like that. What do you think? I'm not asking for massive stuff, just minor things. Sorry if it doesn't make much sense or it's explained poorly ^^;
You explained it well and I understand your suggestion. I have no issue with it, as I assume the players already make up their mind whether they want to go for Goga/PNC or Antonescu/Iron Guard, so making them mutually exclusive or not has no real downside to the player.

However, historically speaking: Carol II, after the took up dictatorial powers, first put Goga in power, then saw how much of a fascist he was and was shocked by him. Removed him after 45 days and installed Armand Calinescu/FRN instead. Then was the Iron Guard's coup. Since both Goga/PNC and Antonescu/Iron Guard happened, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive in my opinon.

Thank you for the support!

I actually took the time to send this link to a developer. His response was that this suggestion is out of the scope for a support patch aimed at Barbarossa issues. Which is understandable, they want to make sure that the part that came out of NSB (Poland, Baltics, USSR) are as bugless as possible. But at least a developer is aware of this topic so maybe in the future they will consider this quick fix.

Personally, I don't want a complete overhaul of Romania. I'm happy with the focus tree as it is. It's just that I hate the fact that if you want to play with Codreanu or Goga it's impossible to complete the focus tree, as "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" removes Codreanu and "Iron Guard" removes Goga. And the only way around it is taking the communist path, which goes without saying that it's not what a player wanting to play Codreanu or Goga wants.

In the current version as it is, it's possible to play Goga since with "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" you unlock the fascist minister. But I think (I wasn't able to) it's impossible to play with Codreanu. You have him as a fascist leader, but the fascist demagogue is locked behind "Appoint Pro-Axis Government", but you can't take "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" as that will remove Codreanu. In theory, you can only play Codreanu if you manage to find a way to raise fascism without using a fascist demagogue.
 
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You explained it well and I understand your suggestion. I have no issue with it, as I assume the players already make up their mind whether they want to go for Goga/PNC or Antonescu/Iron Guard, so making them mutually exclusive or not has no real downside to the player.

However, historically speaking: Carol II, after the took up dictatorial powers, first put Goga in power, then saw how much of a fascist he was and was shocked by him. Removed him after 45 days and installed Armand Calinescu/FRN instead. Then was the Iron Guard's coup. Since both Goga/PNC and Antonescu/Iron Guard happened, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive in my opinon.

Thank you for the support!

I actually took the time to send this link to a developer. His response was that this suggestion is out of the scope for a support patch aimed at Barbarossa issues. Which is understandable, they want to make sure that the part that came out of NSB (Poland, Baltics, USSR) are as bugless as possible. But at least a developer is aware of this topic so maybe in the future they will consider this quick fix.

Personally, I don't want a complete overhaul of Romania. I'm happy with the focus tree as it is. It's just that I hate the fact that if you want to play with Codreanu or Goga it's impossible to complete the focus tree, as "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" removes Codreanu and "Iron Guard" removes Goga. And the only way around it is taking the communist path, which goes without saying that it's not what a player wanting to play Codreanu or Goga wants.

In the current version as it is, it's possible to play Goga since with "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" you unlock the fascist minister. But I think (I wasn't able to) it's impossible to play with Codreanu. You have him as a fascist leader, but the fascist demagogue is locked behind "Appoint Pro-Axis Government", but you can't take "Appoint Pro-Axis Government" as that will remove Codreanu. In theory, you can only play Codreanu if you manage to find a way to raise fascism without using a fascist demagogue.
I see your point and sorry but i admit my limited knowledge on the matter ^^;
Say may i ask you a little bit more about the lancierii? Cause i cannot find much about them sadly ^^;
 

AlextheSwift

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I see your point and sorry but i admit my limited knowledge on the matter ^^;
Say may i ask you a little bit more about the lancierii? Cause i cannot find much about them sadly ^^;
I don't know much about them either, sorry. The only reason I found out about them is because I need something in the equivalent of Securitate / Iron Guard / Constitutional Guarantees national spirit but for Goga/PNC.

Lancierii were the paramilitary wing of PNC but very much opposed to the Iron Guard. They even had street clashes with the Iron Guard. I don't understand the nature of this conflict, given that they were both fascists. Maybe (I'm only assuming here, could be wrong) Iron Guard was more nazi-style while Lancierii/PNC were more Italian Mussolini-style of fascism?

Google "national christian party Wikipedia". I would copy-paste the link myself but it includes swastikas that are banned on this forum.
 
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I don't know much about them either, sorry. The only reason I found out about them is because I need something in the equivalent of Securitate / Iron Guard / Constitutional Guarantees national spirit but for Goga/PNC.

Lancierii were the paramilitary wing of PNC but very much opposed to the Iron Guard. They even had street clashes with the Iron Guard. I don't understand the nature of this conflict, given that they were both fascists. Maybe (I'm only assuming here, could be wrong) Iron Guard was more nazi-style while Lancierii/PNC were more Italian Mussolini-style of fascism?

Google "national christian party Wikipedia". I would copy-paste the link myself but it includes swastikas that are banned on this forum.
Thanks regardless :)