I note there seems some distressing lack of faith hereabouts in Comrade Stalin's Grand Plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone is dead apart from Comrade Stalin, Svetlana, and her pet marmot, Alan.
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I fear a cabal of Krylenko-ist inspired army wreckers, a new round of investigations and trials is the only possible response.I note there seems some distressing lack of faith hereabouts in Comrade Stalin's Grand Plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone is dead apart from Comrade Stalin, Svetlana, and her pet marmot, Alan.
Three days later, Soviet mountain troops were the first into Kabul. At midnight on , the last Axis country surrendered, officially ending the Second World War on 11 November 1946 - 28 years to the day after the end of the Great War.
Only slightly less glorious than the Red Army are those men serving as the Red Speed Bumps.And the Caucasus Theatre began to reorganise and give new objectives to its three armies. The small 4th Army, until that point a reserve 'holding' formation, was allocated three garrison divisions to allow a token defence along the Turkish border (Turkey remaining firmly neutral a mainly pro-Comintern for now). They would later receive a corps HQ to control them directly.
@roverS3 has the most of it, aside from a caveat I'll add below.There was also a warning that keeping the Army mobilised during peacetime would be ‘very costly’ – though how much was not clear. [Anyone recall what the impost is?]
A mere Gangut-class? I am offended.The ‘new-old’ and gleamingly obsolete battleship Sovyetsky Soyuz was commissioned on 17 November into the Red Banner Pacific Fleet, giving each of the two Pacific battle fleets a battleship as flagship.
Mostly correct. However, you are not supposed to lose manpower when demobilizing as it is added back to the pool...however, because this is Paradox, this only works for a human player, and AIs which demobilize do not get their manpower back (a bug we sussed out some time ago in the HPP subforum).Mobilisation in peacetime costs you extra supplies, but also a lot of extra consumer goods as the amount of consumer goods required to avoid dissent is based on the number of Brigades, but non-mobilised reserve Brigades only count as 1/4 or 1/3 or 1/2, depending on your conscription laws. The cost of demobilising is manpower and IC as you wont get back the amount of manpower you take out of the army. So you'll have to invest extra manpower when remobilising. And then there is IC (representing weapons and equipment of the demobilising soldiers), which you also lose, as when you re-mobilise you have to reinforce all those units with new weapons, but depending on how long between you demobilise and remobilise, you will likely make that back in reduced supply production and consumer goods expenditure.
I assume Paradox named their laws under the assumption that the player would stay at war for the entire game once joining WWII-proper. Mostly because that's what Germany players do and we all know who this game was made for after all.There is something marvellously Soviet about this, the idea that due to an outbreak of Peace the country is forced to step down to merely running a "War Economy". The implication being that a conflict with Afghanistan was such an existential threat that the Politburo and Gosplan were running some kind of intense super-war economy which even they realised was not actually sustainable, as if such a thing could exist. Then there is just the Double-Talk delight of peace resulting in a country starting to run a War Economy. Really Paradox should have thought of a better name for the 'one step down from max' step on that particular Law.
Mobilisation in peacetime costs you extra supplies, but also a lot of extra consumer goods as the amount of consumer goods required to avoid dissent is based on the number of Brigades, but non-mobilised reserve Brigades only count as 1/4 or 1/3 or 1/2, depending on your conscription laws. The cost of demobilising is manpower and IC as you wont get back the amount of manpower you take out of the army. So you'll have to invest extra manpower when remobilising. And then there is IC (representing weapons and equipment of the demobilising soldiers), which you also lose, as when you re-mobilise you have to reinforce all those units with new weapons, but depending on how long between you demobilise and remobilise, you will likely make that back in reduced supply production and consumer goods expenditure.
So, a quick technical follow up then: if I have a number of months of peace ahead, would it be worth de- and then re-mobilising? Let’s say I wait for jet engines to be introduced and the wings upgraded (Feb 47 + upgrade time), then demob? And another nuke or two finished. Of course, if I don’t wait and go early, then I wouldn’t bother.Mostly correct. However, you are not supposed to lose manpower when demobilizing as it is added back to the pool...however, because this is Paradox, this only works for a human player, and AIs which demobilize do not get their manpower back (a bug we sussed out some time ago in the HPP subforum).
Those are the last Dreadnaught with casemates floating?A mere Gangut-class? I am offended.
In general if you are not at war for more than about a month or two, you should demobilize so that your IC can go to useful things like upgrades and building more things to shot people with. It takes around 2-3 to mobilize normally, maybe longer for the Soviets since you have so many troops, so try to mobilize a month or so before you plan to DoW the rest of the world.So, a quick technical follow up then: if I have a number of months of peace ahead, would it be worth de- and then re-mobilising? Let’s say I wait for jet engines to be introduced and the wings upgraded (Feb 47 + upgrade time), then demob? And another nuke or two finished. Of course, if I don’t wait and go early, then I wouldn’t bother.
Given that we're a faction, they would automatically join another faction, and then yes, we would be in a war with the allies. I don't know if it would force them into the Allies (I'm pretty sure it would given that there are no axis powers available).would allies declare on us if we declare on let's say the saudis for the time being?
It does. I'm hoping we might take and turn them quickly, but the heavy French and Allied presence in western Romania and Yugoslavia could be a problem - hoping a possible successful invasion wouldn't be cut off.Bulgaria looks vulnerable ...
There wasn't really a standard one, but pretty much all would be five brigades each, and most standard 'leg' infantry probably 3 x INF, ARTY, AT if I recall correctly (the game itself was played around 4-5 years ago).France has some really tough looking divisions...I only skimmed your France prologue to this, so what was your 'standard' inf division?
True enough. The next chapter will show the effect of the 'Not Actually at War Economy' and it isn't pretty for the Soviets.There is something marvellously Soviet about this, the idea that due to an outbreak of Peace the country is forced to step down to merely running a "War Economy". The implication being that a conflict with Afghanistan was such an existential threat that the Politburo and Gosplan were running some kind of intense super-war economy which even they realised was not actually sustainable, as if such a thing could exist. Then there is just the Double-Talk delight of peace resulting in a country starting to run a War Economy. Really Paradox should have thought of a better name for the 'one step down from max' step on that particular Law.
I think you're rightit's gonna be difficult man, it's gonna be really difficult
Do you doubt the collective comrade? The puny capitalist and proto-fascist feudalists will be wiped from the map in no time.
Any propaganda that suggest the USA could be a threat is capitalist misinformation, do you doubt it comrade? if so comrade Beria has an offer for you!
my resolution is steel with regards to our red army and our comrades in arms, but I have zero confidence in the generals, unfortunately!
I note there seems some distressing lack of faith hereabouts in Comrade Stalin's Grand Plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone is dead apart from Comrade Stalin, Svetlana, and her pet marmot, Alan.
Such doubts, even if entirely valid, must of course be suppressed publicly, with extreme methods. But in the halls of the Kremlin, I think many were quite frank (and Stalin in expletive-laden fear) when things were at their worst in mid-1941.I fear a cabal of Krylenko-ist inspired army wreckers, a new round of investigations and trials is the only possible response.
Only slightly less glorious than the Red Army are those men serving as the Red Speed Bumps.
A mere Gangut-class? I am offended.
Mostly correct. However, you are not supposed to lose manpower when demobilizing as it is added back to the pool...however, because this is Paradox, this only works for a human player, and AIs which demobilize do not get their manpower back (a bug we sussed out some time ago in the HPP subforum).
I assume Paradox named their laws under the assumption that the player would stay at war for the entire game once joining WWII-proper. Mostly because that's what Germany players do and we all know who this game was made for after all.
Ganguts, I know - oh dear. But one more (plus some air cover) might just be enough to keep an invasion fleet alive for long enough to land someone next time.Those are the last Dreadnaught with casemates floating?
Mobilisation in peacetime costs you extra supplies, but also a lot of extra consumer goods as the amount of consumer goods required to avoid dissent is based on the number of Brigades, but non-mobilised reserve Brigades only count as 1/4 or 1/3 or 1/2, depending on your conscription laws. The cost of demobilising is manpower and IC as you wont get back the amount of manpower you take out of the army. So you'll have to invest extra manpower when remobilising. And then there is IC (representing weapons and equipment of the demobilising soldiers), which you also lose, as when you re-mobilise you have to reinforce all those units with new weapons, but depending on how long between you demobilise and remobilise, you will likely make that back in reduced supply production and consumer goods expenditure.
As to the Soviet Union's current situation, it's not great really. It is in your interest to declare war sooner rather than later as you're at a significant economic disadvantage, though you still have to make sure everything is in place for the first steps of the offensive, of course. Let's just say, you're going to need those nukes or a miracle to win ww3. Maybe the nukes are the miracle?
Looking forward to that next war, however soon it may come.
So, a quick technical follow up then: if I have a number of months of peace ahead, would it be worth de- and then re-mobilising? Let’s say I wait for jet engines to be introduced and the wings upgraded (Feb 47 + upgrade time), then demob? And another nuke or two finished. Of course, if I don’t wait and go early, then I wouldn’t bother.
You will see some of the mechanics played out in the next chapter ...In general if you are not at war for more than about a month or two, you should demobilize so that your IC can go to useful things like upgrades and building more things to shot people with. It takes around 2-3 to mobilize normally, maybe longer for the Soviets since you have so many troops, so try to mobilize a month or so before you plan to DoW the rest of the world.
would allies declare on us if we declare on let's say the saudis for the time being?
I checked: Saudi independence is guaranteed by the UK anyway, so it would be war with the Allies.Given that we're a faction, they would automatically join another faction, and then yes, we would be in a war with the allies. I don't know if it would force them into the Allies (I'm pretty sure it would given that there are no axis powers available).
The commanders in the Far East had assessed their objectives as given (Manchuria and Korea) and 16th Army in particular had created an extraordinary concentration of forces where the border adjoined both by 11 January.
We warned you a purge of the Army leadership was required, but maybe it is too late. It is clear the army is already full of Trotsykite devationalist traitors spreading their disgusting so-called 'ideas'. Training the men of the Red Army?! Next thing someone will suggest we end Human Wave tactics, properly equip our troops or try and build tanks out of actual armour rather than "steel" (or whatever vaguely shiny material comes out of the factory). Where will it end?On 4 December, it was finally decided to change training laws to ensure the highest level of starting experience for any new formations, even if in took longer for them to train.
The Persia/Afghanistan redeployment was nearing completion:
Far be it from me to question the wisdom of STAVKA, but is it possible these two facts are related? Are the factories producing huge amounts of supplies and just pouring them into the Supply Networks desperately trying to get supplies out to the far borders of Persia.As the month drew to a close, the supply stockpile had slid below 50,000 despite all this. With the upgrade bill sitting at over 40 IC, all remaining production was sunk into supplies, halting all projects in the queue, just to keep it at around 140 IC.
Someone at GOSPLAN needs a 9mm re-education, looks like a bad case of Malenkov-ite industrial deviationist treason.Also, consumer price costs had increased again, putting further downward pressure on military-directed production.
It is a mystery why those states are not keen to enter the loving embrace of Stalin and the Motherland. Surely their leaders would be honoured to lose all their powers and positions and see their countries used as front line buffer states between us and the Chinese and Japanese hordes? I shall task the chief ideologue to investigate, but I suspect the answer will be false consciousness and cultural hegemony. It usually is.Diplomatically, it was noticed that while the three Chinese warlord states had too much neutrality to agree to join the Comintern,
So we're looking at a May date for the invasion, then? Sounds about right.The decision was taken on 1 December 1946 to wait for the introduction of jet engines to the VVS (due in late February 1947) and the subsequent upgrade of all wings before launching a possible WW3.
Hmm, let me check a thing...Note: Demobilisation released 264,000 troops back into the manpower pool. It would take 534,600 to re-mobilise reserve formations. Even if there was some transfer cost in manpower, the vast Soviet reserves could cope with that easily.
DEMOBILIZATION_FACTOR = 0.5, -- The amount of manpower you get back from units when demobilizing.
I'd say just leave them be, if they're too far to join the Allies they won't be a threat and that's the best we can hope for.Diplomatically, it was noticed that while the three Chinese warlord states had too much neutrality to agree to join the Comintern, even though their alignment was beginning to get quite close. The threshold it had to be below was 25, and the Guangxi Clique was at 50.9, Xibei San Ma at 40.03 and Yunnan at 38.01. Either the UK or France tended to be their highest perceived threat, so trying to mount a spy mission to increase their perceived threat was likely to be prohibitively costly in spies. The Soviets were at a bit of a loss as to what more they could do themselves to shift these equations. [If anyone has any bright ideas that don’t involve tagging, cheats or save file editing, I’d be glad to hear them!]
If we want to benefit from puppeting the Germans, we'll need to hold their East Prussia forces in place instead of liquidating that pocket, which could prove challenging but doable.In Western Europe, the Foreign Ministry made an assessment of the national unity of five of the front line Allied members/puppets facing the Soviets in an initial onslaught. If nukes and the occupation of some key German cities could see them knocked out of the war and turned to the Comintern without having to destroy their army, it would be a massive bonus. And perhaps the only slender hope the Comintern had of winning a conflict.
Not forgotten and thanks for the reminder - watch and shoot!Don't forget, when the strategic rocket engine level 1 is completed in April, you can start air to air missiles in secret tech tab which is like an extra level of armament research
As does mine. You may find some of the background in the next update fairly interesting in that regard. I really can't make my mind up whether we have a fighting chance or will just get creamed, sooner or later.Depending on what is in an update, my hope level for the future fluctuates a lot. This one was warmer than the previous one
Yes, the obvious candidates just bring on war early and gives them the advantage of wartime economies too. But to have kept Afghanistan going artificially long just to keep the people on wartime rationing would have been unrealistic, wouldn't it? Oh, er, wait ...Unfortunately, I think the best way would be to force a DOW on one of the minor states, but since you're a faction member, you're forcing that nation into the Allies and then it's game on.
And the vodka. We'll have to find some way of getting them on a diet ...The Red Army really is hogging all the borscht isn't it?
Amen. I'd be pleased if we ever got as far as SEA. China will be a very nasty proposition, for which we really need Japan, probably.I am calling it ahead of the next conflict starting. I think Europe will be easy but South East Asia is going to be a B*tch. Just saying.
Never too late for a purge! Trotskyists are everywhere - the counter-revolutionary dogs! It will probaly end with cats and dogs living together as it rains frogs!We warned you a purge of the Army leadership was required, but maybe it is too late. It is clear the army is already full of Trotsykite devationalist traitors spreading their disgusting so-called 'ideas'. Training the men of the Red Army?! Next thing someone will suggest we end Human Wave tactics, properly equip our troops or try and build tanks out of actual armour rather than "steel" (or whatever vaguely shiny material comes out of the factory). Where will it end?
Unless fighting Germans, French (in this ATL) and British troops in Europe. After our worrying experience in the Far East, a little more heft may be required to take them on.All a Soviet peasant platoon needs is one gun shared between three men and a couple of rounds each. It's not like any of them will survive long enough to fire more than that.
Could be, but I know about as much about the HOI3 supply system as those GOSPLAN guys do about running an economy.Far be it from me to question the wisdom of STAVKA, but is it possible these two facts are related? Are the factories producing huge amounts of supplies and just pouring them into the Supply Networks desperately trying to get supplies out to the far borders of Persia.
If only I could have figured out a way in game to deliver the proverbial boot to the virtual neck, it would have been deployed pronto.Someone at GOSPLAN needs a 9mm re-education, looks like a bad case of Malenkov-ite industrial deviationist treason.
If there are any problems of priorities then the downward pressure should be applied to the consumers, by a KGB boot on the back if necessary. What does it benefit the proletariat if they have a new (mostly, almost) working toaster if the Red Army lacks the Tanks they need to defend the Motherland? (Said tanks also mostly, sort of, almost, work)
They reject our loving arms ... at least they are now not in danger of falling into another's. And if we could get them to join later, it could provide China with a timely distraction. And maybe their alignment will force the Chinese to keep some troops on their borders, at least.It is a mystery why those states are not keen to enter the loving embrace of Stalin and the Motherland. Surely their leaders would be honoured to lose all their powers and positions and see their countries used as front line buffer states between us and the Chinese and Japanese hordes? I shall task the chief ideologue to investigate, but I suspect the answer will be false consciousness and cultural hegemony. It usually is.
We'll see how that timing works out soon. But rest assured, when the time seems right Stalin isn't going to wait around. This shebang needs some closure and the experiment to be completed.So we're looking at a May date for the invasion, then? Sounds about right.
Thanks for the research. Given the vast stocks of Soviet manpower, and the relatively small amount of reserve units, the loss is not to be worried about in those terms. Will just need to re-mobilise in time.Hmm, let me check a thing...
...aha! In the defines.lua file, we have
so in vanilla HoI3 you only get back half of your manpower when demobilizing. Of course the AI is bugged and gets zero either way, but still.Code:DEMOBILIZATION_FACTOR = 0.5, -- The amount of manpower you get back from units when demobilizing.
I guess HPP changed this to 1.0 to gain all manpower back which makes more sense after all, half your army doesn't disappear just because you've finished killing Finns.
Seems so. I really would like them in as distractions, but couldn't afford (or at least don't want to pay for) the vast LS bill to establish and maintain spy rings in the relevant major Allied powers to try inching their threat levels up the amount that would be required. We can take another look later, if/when the balloon goes up.I'd say just leave them be, if they're too far to join the Allies they won't be a threat and that's the best we can hope for.
Exactly. Containing them may well be enough, while we take enough VPs and deliver nukes to take them out of the Allies and force them into our camp.If we want to benefit from puppeting the Germans, we'll need to hold their East Prussia forces in place instead of liquidating that pocket, which could prove challenging but doable.
True, though most of those movements had largely completed and still the supplies leached away. But there will be more lived experience in the next chapter, in which there is a fair focus on supplies and the impact on the rest of the in-game economy.Massive far-away redeployments will suck supplies into the system like little else, so if anything, not demobilising would have led to an even higher spike. I'm not sure why Consumer goods demand hasn't gone down at all. Maybe they changed that from a previous version of the game, or there's something I'm missing here.
This is my hope. You will see what the Soviets assess relevant Allied air capabilities to be as well in the next chapter, including some broad tagging-for-info that would I judge be fair enough for a peacetime situation (and more interesting for the readAARs, too).It will be a nasty surprise for the Allies when the war starts to suddenly be faced with not only nukes, but thousands of modern jet-powered planes. Of course, they might already know about the development of Jet Engines in the USSR through espionage, but will they be aware that the entire VVS was retrained and re-equipped in record-time? I wouldn't be so sure. After the initial shock, they will still have the advantage, but I'd like to see the looks on their faces when they realise just how far the USSR got in it's deployment of these new weapons.