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I've got one.

When you control A church town or a city, you get the 'wrong holding type' notice.

What are the penalties for holding those 'wrong' types?
 

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if I'm King of Poland and I marry Matilda (hey! I get 20 years, I need all the help I can get), why can't I give my son's land? Yeah, they're in Italy, but is the marriage effectively matrilinial whether it is or not? The grant title button isn't there and greyed out (with an explanation), it's just not there.
 

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if I'm King of Poland and I marry Matilda (hey! I get 20 years, I need all the help I can get), why can't I give my son's land? Yeah, they're in Italy, but is the marriage effectively matrilinial whether it is or not? The grant title button isn't there and greyed out (with an explanation), it's just not there.

If they're residing in Matilda's court then they count as her vassals rather than yours, so you don't get the option to give them titles directly.
 

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some questions from me to, playing the demo for a while.

1) do i need good relations with the pope for the invasion cb?
2) what is the criteria to get this cb? i played as poland in the demo and noticed
that i could press the invasion cb on hre or denmark but not at the nearby hungary-
croatia-roman empire.does the leader of the country i want to invade must be of the same religion?
does he have to be low on piety or something?
3) i noticed that the other side, orhodox doesn't have this cb.do they have some other cb that you
can get to expand?
4) how can the forge claims speed up?i had a cancellor with 21d sitting for all 20 years, just to forge a count
claim on king of hungary.
 

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1) do i need good relations with the pope for the invasion cb?
2) what is the criteria to get this cb? i played as poland in the demo and noticed
that i could press the invasion cb on hre or denmark but not at the nearby hungary-
croatia-roman empire.does the leader of the country i want to invade must be of the same religion?
does he have to be low on piety or something?
3) i noticed that the other side, orhodox doesn't have this cb.do they have some other cb that you
can get to expand?
4) how can the forge claims speed up?i had a cancellor with 21d sitting for all 20 years, just to forge a count
claim on king of hungary.

as far as i know..
1/2) you need good relations, while the one the CB is on needs to have bad relations, dont know if its piety related as well
3) Probably the Patriarch gives a CB but not sure.
4)I think it depends on the learning skill, as it was once mentioned that the learning skill doesnt relate to educating some kid
but to the work a Chancellor (also martial,stewrad, spymaster) is doing, so as well forging claims.
Might be wrong but thats how i understood this.
 

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For those who didnt notice, you can upgrade the towns/castles/churches so they give more money or levies!
 

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So I'm playing as the King of Poland, succession law is gravelkind and not surprisingly I'm getting the "title lost on succession" alert.
My 2nd and 3rd son will inherit several ducal and county titles. Will my heir be their liege on succession, or will they become independent?
 

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So I'm playing as the King of Poland, succession law is gravelkind and not surprisingly I'm getting the "title lost on succession" alert.
My 2nd and 3rd son will inherit several ducal and county titles. Will my heir be their liege on succession, or will they become independent?

They will be your vassals if you are higher tear than them. So if you are king and they dukes they will be your vassals.
 

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If they're residing in Matilda's court then they count as her vassals rather than yours, so you don't get the option to give them titles directly.

Thanks, makes sense. I had three sons, and I think I chose to educate one myself (since the Polish King = mad martial skillz), is that a way around this? I suspect that I didn't check all of them carefully enough. Also, Matilda died at 34, which I assume, means that they moved to their own courts, and so were residents of Italy until they inherit Polish Dukedoms/Kingdom.

So I'm playing as the King of Poland, succession law is gravelkind and not surprisingly I'm getting the "title lost on succession" alert.
My 2nd and 3rd son will inherit several ducal and county titles. Will my heir be their liege on succession, or will they become independent?

Like Wezqu said. It seems to me that Gavelkind splits your holdings if you have multiple top-tier holdings. If you have one top-tier holding it's not as bad, but you still end up like Phillipe Capet - nominally in charge, but holding nothing more than your largely empty title. You're stuck expanding constantly to keep personal holdings, and the jump from a single Dukedom to King will require one great, or long-lived ruler.

For primogeniture, it looks as though we're intended to either:

1) start as a low enough person that we can switch to primogeniture before we advance (is there such a thing anymore)(does this even work? if I choose primogeniture as Count, do I get the ducal/kingdom laws when I move up, or keep my County laws?); or
2) suffer serious losses (if we expand) every time there is a succession until, by several generations of moves up the Crown Authority ladder we're finally able to switch to primogeniture.

If #2, vassals will constantly be pushing back. They'll try to reduce Crown Authority upon every succession, against a ruler who is definitionally weaker. This seems as though it will take many generations. I get that "switch to primogeniture on Day 1" is the kind of no-brainer that game designers like to avoid. I also get that it produces very ahistorical Kingdoms by 1200 nevermind 1300 or 1400, but this seems like a recipe for frustration. As it appears to me now, it's entirely possible that you are theoretically permitted to have primogeniture, but you'll rarely actually get to it. OTOH elective doesn't look that bad (see ParadoxianLP's Denmark game).

If this is all true, I wonder if I'd prefer "Primogeniture not unlocked until 'Kingdom Theory 3'" or some set date rather than always available but never within reach. I guess I'll have to play it and see.
 
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So, Harold of England, William of Normandy and Harald of Norway all fighting personally for their throne is "almost no-one".

You got it, it's almost none. In particular, they are all from the same region and similar and mixed cultures, with prevalence of the norse one which is indeed peculiar as it had Kings always fighting on the battlefield.
 

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So, I'll jump in and ask a question of my own. I'm playing as the talented Duchess Mathilda. Some clown from Lombardia keeps invading me, so I manufactured a claim on Cremona in orded to grab something else than his humiliation in the next war. Come next war, I try to add my claim as a war goal, but I can't figure out how to do that. Is it only possible to add claims in offensive wars?
 

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Is it only possible to add claims in offensive wars?

Yes. If you want to grab a title using a claim, you have to declare that war.
 

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This is a question about the history files:

This line of text is taken straight from the history file on the title for the Kingdom of England:

1066.1.5={
holder=122 # Harold Godwinson
law = agnatic_succession
law = succ_primogeniture
law = centralization_2
law = investiture_law_1
}
1066.10.14={
holder=140 # William the Conqueror
}

Why does William gain the King title on the date of the Battle of Hastings? Unless my history is shaky on this, Edgar the Aetheling was proclaimed King of England by the Witenagemot following Harold's Godwinson's death. The saxons didn't surrender until December of 1066. My first guess was that the scripting of the invasion cb required an automatic victory for the attacker upon killing the defending leader, so I checked the cb type file also. The scripting makes no mention of a defender's death only the attacking leader's death.

Is this a mistake or a something else?

In the spirit of full disclosure, I only checked on this because I wanted to play the House of Wessex from a October 15th start date. I imagine it would have been one of the more challenging start dates and dynasties to play.
 

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You got it, it's almost none. In particular, they are all from the same region and similar and mixed cultures, with prevalence of the norse one which is indeed peculiar as it had Kings always fighting on the battlefield.

Any chance you could address the rest of my response?
The War of the Roses in England where dynasts of two branches of the Royal Family fought, and personally, for the throne, both to take it, and to defend it. Out of period I will admit, but after the period shown in game.
The Hundred Years War between England and France, where the King of England and the King of France were in the field, fighting.
The Anarchy in England, where Stephen fought, and was captured and ransomed. Triggered because the barons (lords really) of England were split as to whether to allow Maud to succeed, or to elect Stephen, as a near male relative to the throne, to be king.
Various Edwards of England against the Scots.
English Kings agaisnt the Welsh.

I don't know a lot about other kingdoms that weren't involved in England's history during the period, but I am forced to assume from this that the kings didn't just sit idle on their rear ends, and that they fought in person... Certainly they crusaded; certainly the various Spanish kings would have had to fight for the Iberian peninsular.