Is there some design upside to this that escapes me?
edit: That is, why can we not switch out of the Empire gov.?
edit: That is, why can we not switch out of the Empire gov.?
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{Question} Why is the Empire Gov. Type Locked?
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There is just one empire - Roman. In that sense there is just one country thats a true empire - Byzantines. Hence the government is a unique one available only to Byzies.
There are some "empires" around the world, but thats just a localization trick, basically despotic_monarchy or feudal_monarchy (IIRC) are localized as "empires" in same cases, such as Manchus etc.
@DanubianCossak: Ah, I see that my terse post was understandably confusing. I'm interested in the rationale for preventing you from switching out of the Empire type.
Because it's a special government type. Any special government type cannot be switched out of (unless you get an event or let rebels break your country).
Other examples of unique government types including Archduchy, Dutch Republic, Celestial Empire, Ambrosian Republic, Papacy, Iquita and Shogunate.
It makes no sense really that for example an Archuduy or an Empire cannot change peacefully their government type. Paradox loves to impose limitations on the player.
Empire should be available for nations to change to after a certain date.tech - 1750, say - and if they have a certain base-tax. So many nations proclaimed themselves Empires in the time frame - Spain Russia, Britain, Austria, France.
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Well I can see why gov. types such as Papacy, Celestial Empire, and Shogunate are locked, but what is the purpose of locking us into Ambrosian Rep., Dutch Rep., or Empire? It just cuts out gameplay.
Russia, yes, did proclaim itself an Empire. However, Portugal and the Dutch never formalised their status as an Empire - they had an Empire, but they weren't in and of themselves an empire. Whilst you had the Russian Emperor, the French Emperor, the Austrian Emperor, you didn't have a Portuguese Emperor, or a Dutch Empire.
Having said that, I'm going to go and edit my post to remove Spain, because it doesn't fit that criteria.
Empire should stay Empire. Revolutionary Empires should be able to change. Oh, and Archduchies should be able to form an Empire if they are the Holy Roman Emperor and they dissolve the HRE.
Ambrosian Republic is soooo easy to switch out: you're a republic with a 3 years-election cycle, and you get the Guelfs Vs Gibelines event often (+1 stab -20 republican tradition) pretty often... you can pass from 100% republican tradition to 0% in a measly 20 years.
but yeah, kinda bad you can't switch others (though I do want the byzantines being unable to change from Empire... unless they lose their name and became Greece)
but yeah, kinda bad you can't switch others (though I do want the byzantines being unable to change from Empire... unless they lose their name and became Greece)
I haven't played Byz to see what its government type gives but several of the other "can't switch out of" governments are absolutely due to gameplay reasons others are because they are stronger than other governments available at the same level so you commit to them for their benefit but are tied to them later on...or you can choose not to initiate them and not be stuck with them.
Empire is a fairly mediocre 10% vassal income and 5% morale. It's also unique in that you have no practical way to switch out of it over the entire course of the game, unless you get extremely lucky w/ a scheming bureaucracy event. Even from a role-play perspective, I find it hard to believe that their political structure would persist unchanged for four centuries.
It persisted nearly unchanged for a thousand years. Probably not the rationale for locking the government type, though, since all unique governments are disallowed from freely changing.
To say that it persisted nearly unchanged is hugely reductive. Moreover, Empire is a unique case in that they're not just prevented from freely changing, they're prevented from changing, period.
Like other unique government types, it can be switched out of through events or rebels.
Not through rebels, it's an odd exception. Scheming bureaucracy is the only means that I'm aware of, and you know, it has a MTTH of 10000 and isn't available until adm 20. For all intents and purposes you're locked into Empire from start to finish.
I tested this by using the console to spawn a bunch of revolutionary rebels with the event from having aristocracy ideas. Byzantium can be forced out of the Empire government type by rebels:
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