[Question] Warning Message 'Wrong type of holding'

[Taijian]

Trying the demo as Mathilda di Canossa, I at one point claimed and conquered a prince-bishopric. Thus, after winning the war, I gained the County to my personal demesne, meaning that I now owned the Capital settlement, in this case a Monastry. This settlement showed up in Red in my outliner and I got the above-mentioned warning.
Does this actually do anything? Are the any negative consequences of owning cities and monastries directly as a feudal lord?

 

[dmiden]

I believe you get a reduced tax income from that holding as a result.

 

[Tsungun]

I believe only bishops can own settlements like monastries and mayors may only own cities. Therefore as a lord you can't directly own them without consequence (reduced tax).

 

[InnocentIII]

In the Demo the reduction is 25%, which means that owning Cities is still a very good deal. In the release version it's apparently going to be 50%, which might still mean you're better off with the $ directly than with the City taxes, until you hit your Demesne limit.

 

[artemis667]

I had something similar playing as *ahem* Duke of Munster. One of my vassals revolted so I made war, captured him, and revoked his title. The main holding in this case was a city, so I had the 'wrong type of holding' message.

I gave one of my half-brothers the title to the county, at which point he became Lord Mayor and all was well. It's an interesting system - I wonder, is there a way to build a castle in one of the holding 'slots' and make that the main holding? Otherwise, seems a little bit restrictive, as it basically means even if you have room in your demesne limit (I had lots) you can't necessarily have every county in your duchy under your direct control, at least not without that penalty. We'll all get used to it in time, I guess.

 

[artemis667]

In the Demo the reduction is 25%, which means that owning Cities is still a very good deal. In the release version it's apparently going to be 50%, which might still mean you're better off with the $ directly than with the City taxes, until you hit your Demesne limit.

Good point.
The one exception might be if you had a vassal who was going to use the money wisely, investing to build the town up, because he would get more than you would (and still pass some back up the chain). I'm not sure if they do that at this point, though.

Side question: is there a way to ask (nicely) a vassal to raise his levy to fight alongside you in the war? Or are you limited to the percentage you can raise as feudal lord? (Obviously higher if the vassal likes you, which is good)

 

[Hohen]

I had something similar playing as *ahem* Duke of Munster. One of my vassals revolted so I made war, captured him, and revoked his title. The main holding in this case was a city, so I had the 'wrong type of holding' message.

I gave one of my half-brothers the title to the county, at which point he became Lord Mayor and all was well. It's an interesting system - I wonder, is there a way to build a castle in one of the holding 'slots' and make that the main holding? Otherwise, seems a little bit restrictive, as it basically means even if you have room in your demesne limit (I had lots) you can't necessarily have every county in your duchy under your direct control, at least not without that penalty. We'll all get used to it in time, I guess.

Did the same, but instead to give the county (it was, in fact, Grand City) I just gave the minor holdings, but still had the wrong type of holding warning. So it seems like you can't be Mayor of a Grand City (or Great City, whatever, not playing in eng). A bit weird as far as I'm not holding any minor hold directly IMO

 

[Lord Canterbury]

Ther's been a half dozen threads on this subject... hopefully once a wiki is up and running and we get some slightly clearer tooltips for this one (hint hint please PI) it might become a little clearer.