Question regarding Hitler portrait.

[Unknowed]

I have seen that in World War Wednesdays Hitler's portrait it's shadowed. In later dev diaries it wasn't, so I've been wondering if the censored portrait of Hitler its going to be on all versions of the game or just on the German one. (Please tell me it isn't )

 

[HeilLoki]

There are two versions as far as I understand it: A german version and an international version.

German = censored (because fascism is bad, but using the tools of fascism is somehow good - not Pdx' fault, it's german law...)

International = uncensored

 

[WSnova]

They should replace him with a moe anime girl in the German version

 

[WarPie]

It is funny how the german laws are trying to keep citizens away from national socialism. "Hide Hitler's face and let's pretend nothing happend 80 years ago"

 

[Sharp163]

It is funny how the german laws are trying to keep citizens away from national socialism. "Hide Hitler's face and let's pretend nothing happend 80 years ago"

Interesting perspective.

Or, "let's educate people properly about the horrors our country committed and keep them away from such influences so it never happens again."

 

[HeilLoki]

Interesting perspective.

Or, "let's educate people properly about the horrors our country committed and keep them away from such influences so it never happens again."

Which is a pretty racist thing to say btw ... Is there something unique about german people that they are more easily fooled into fascism? How come UK, USA and Brasil aren't fascist even though there's no censorship like im Germany? So, now it's up to you: Either you're a bigot and a racist, because you think germans are "special" or your logic is flawed.

Well, this thread will be closed soon anyways. No discussion about such things here, because this forum isn't about politics and stupid laws, but about a game and a private company can (and should) ban such silly topics - especially if they have nothing to do with their products at all.

So, let's stop it now. Sorry, I (kinda?) started it.

 

[daniyil123]

Guys, please stay on topic. I am not a moderator but really you should stay on topic and off sensitive subjects before Had a dad comes in here and locks down this thread.

 

[EmperorBatman999]

If censorship is an issue, why don't they just use this instead?

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*For those of you who don't know, don't worry, 'cause it's ony Charlie Chaplin and his parody of You-Know-Who in the 1940 film The Great Dictator.*

 

[HeilLoki]

...

I suggest this picture:

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All hail Podcat!!!

 

[CyberianK]

Its actually about protecting the constitution and not letting stuff get out of hand again.
So preventing distribution and public display of certain symbols is among that. That intent is honorable but the problems are in the details. Theres also lots of exceptions like for educational purposes and such.

Normally the context and way it is displayed should matter but in practice that is often not sufficiently handled or in foresight peoples are more careful then they would required to be just in case.
And yes for certain entertainment products its really way too crazy. Especially harmless international imports/releases and such which clearly are not niche/scene.

 

[Karl244]

I guess the german government has every right to ban stuff they don't like. But I personally think they accomplish the opposite (because everyone the state bans has to be cool, right?). Instead of banning stuff, I think they should discourage stuff.

On topic, as has been said, in the international version it will be the one from the dev diary, and in the german version either this shadowed one or the anime one.

 

[RVallant]

Interesting perspective.

Or, "let's educate people properly about the horrors our country committed and keep them away from such influences so it never happens again."

You can't educate without exposing to it in the first place.

 

[Daddl]

German law forbids to show propaganda material of banned parties. This includes portraits of Hitler as well as SS and SA symbols, swastikas, the hitler salute and a whole lot of other stuff.

However, all this is allowed to be shown if "the propaganda material or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes." - StGB 86 (3)

So I personally think this exceptions are sufficient for his portrait to show up in a game about history, but I'm not a lawyer (and I hope Paradox asked one). Hitlers face shows up in every newspaper like once a week (and in certain "history" or "science" publications more like every day) so I can't imagine this would really be a problem.

It is funny how the german laws are trying to keep citizens away from national socialism. "Hide Hitler's face and let's pretend nothing happend 80 years ago"

Everyone going to a german school has extensive lessons about the Third Reich, like in total a third of all history class sessions. I personally had subjects related to Nazi Germany in grades 6, 8, 10, 11 and 12, up to the point where it becomes annoying if you hear the exact same things again every few months.
And if you pretend nothing happened 80 years ago in Germany you will be trialed for that.

 

[WarPie]

I think this thread soon will be closed.

 

[adam_grif]

Yep, thread is not long for the world.

German law allows the showing of these symbols in art, but as of yet Videogames are not considered art for the purposes of this law. Although you could very well make the argument that it does technically qualify, Paradox is not willing to die on that hill and would rather just sell the game in Germany without trying to rock the boat. Maybe if some other company or group blazes that trail first, then HoI5 might have swastikas in the game.

 

[HeilLoki]

Portraits, symbols, other stuff: Mods, mods everywhere!

 

[Secret Master]

Off-topic spam and pointless discussion of whether people on the forum are racist.

Thread closed.