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21oliver

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Anyone know if Japan isn't able to fire Marco Polo (I am currently playing Nat China and aligning to the Allies) how that will affect them the rest of the game? Can they still get to the point to DOW the USA if they don't fight me?
 

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I don't think they can join the Axis without some source of serious outside threat. Without that, they're probably "dead in the water" until at least 1939, but once they're in, they can probably enact "Pearl Harbor" when the time comes (and be totally unprepared due to lack of a previous war to boost Laws and production). I don't have the info handy, so I don't know it there's some other requirement that won't be met due to them not taking half of China.
 

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Thats what im thinking. Right now its around Mayish 1939, they arent in the Axis yet. If they dont get in, in a few years theyll be prime for me i figure. It will be interesting to see the impact on the USA however. If im in the Allies at the time however Japan if DOW'd should join the Axis and at least start trying to kick things in gear.
 

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Anyone know if Japan isn't able to fire Marco Polo (I am currently playing Nat China and aligning to the Allies) how that will affect them the rest of the game? Can they still get to the point to DOW the USA if they don't fight me?

There is something strange that happens occasionally in a game where the AI will execute a prepare war decision but never actually fire it. It appears to be something in the EXE and I have only ever seen this with Japan and Marco Polo. What I did was add an extra check about a month after the AI is suppose to pick Marco Polo and force it to choose the decision. This is of course in TRP and not the official game.
 

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Well its currently Feb 1940, Im not close to getting into the Allies and Japan isnt in the Axis yet. Im content to play it out a few years with no sense of urgency as im doing a wide variety of research and builds. Once I DOW them it should all fall into place, albeit late for Japan however.
 

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I have never seen them not go to war against the Chinese in vanilla. I did see them chicken out on PH, though. Probably because I had lvl-10 forts in Wake, Guam and Midway.
 

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I stopped, found it too boring, playing around now with different scenarios. It was mid 1940, i had about 40 divisions on the Shanxi border and one per port and the Japanese didnt budge. I was pretty sure i remembered that they become sort of broken if they dont fire Marco Polo and join the Axis...