Question on IDs

[Kaigon]

My scenario works quite well but one thing seems to ruin it all. To be specific; IDs.
This scenario has it own events, monarchs and leaders resulting in that I use IDs up to 33000. The problem is that every alliance, unit, combat etc has it own ID and they often seem to use the same id as a event/monarch/leader etc. The game crashes after about 14-24 months, which probably is the consequence of this ID-share.

Is there any way to point out where the ID should start (I want all additional IDs to be after, lets say 50000)?

Shouldn't the CPU check if the ID already is in use by the game?

 

[Kaigon]

Hmm, It might also be that I have leaderIDs over 20000. I'll better check that out...

 

[Kaigon]

Nope, that's not the case. No monarch or leader is over 20000 (one group IS 19000-20000 )

What to do...?

 

[Kaigon]

It's not really funny to have a thread of my own

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Kaigon


It's not really funny to have a thread of my own

I think your're doing fine

 

[Kaigon]

Originally posted by Havard
I think your're doing fine

Thanks

 

[unmerged(5333)]

Re : Conflicting IDs.

Hello Kaigon,

Conflicting IDs is a rather "tricky" business; hitherto you got
no answer, no help. So, I hope my observations can help you.

When you write your scenario you ought to create :
- monarch-files and
- leader-files and
- ...

Its rather evident that ALL have a UNIQUE address ... when your
scenario starts. Later on it is not that evident !

You "meet" armies commanded by the AI. The AI can activate
a monarch, e.g. as a general. Precisely at that moment the boss,
EU2.exe, gives him an address that figures in his address list. That address is a the first "free" LOW ADDRESS he finds. Because
he is the boss ... all the low addresses you used are "free". And
that results is an ID-conflict. You can "admire" that conflict in
your saved files.

Solution ?

Don't use addresses which might be used by the boss : 0 up to
14999 and above 1.000.000..

So start your leader-files with the address 15000; your event-files
from 20000 onwards.

If your first leader is given the ID 20000 you are in trouble once
again. Why ? I don't know. It was Havard who gave me that advice and when I asked him the reason why he answered,
honestly like always, : I don't know.

I sincerely hope this text is helping the man who was thrown
out of hell (drinking too much probably, sorry : of course).


Predator I.

 

[Havard]

Re: Re : Conflicting IDs.

Originally posted by Predator I

If your first leader is given the ID 20000 you are in trouble once again. Why ? I don't know. It was Havard who gave me that advice and when I asked him the reason why he answered, honestly like always, : I don't know.

It has to do with the data type used, but why 20000 is the limit is hard to figure out, because AFAIK there are no datatypes that covers the range 0-20000 only...

 

[Kaigon]

Re: Re : Conflicting IDs.

Originally posted by Predator I
Solution ?

Don't use addresses which might be used by the boss : 0 up to
14999 and above 1.000.000..

So start your leader-files with the address 15000; your event-files
from 20000 onwards.

Thanks! Now I have to reconsider my scenario, it was meant to have about 14000 leaders... that would have been nice

 

[unmerged(5333)]

Re : 14000 leaders.

Hello Kaigon,


Don't throw away your scenario and don't start to adapt that
number, those 14.000 leaders. Why ?

I don't know why, I only know that's its not a hunch. I'm sure,
ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that a 100% WORKING scenario with an
near unlimitted number of leaders is feasible !

Now there is only one difficulty : HOW !

I have already found a way to produce a NEVER ENDING leader-
file for one country. I'm going to publish that text tomorrow or
perhaps even this evening. And ... when you can do it for one country you can do it for the 240 countries in your scenario.
And that ID problem, we'll solve it !


Predator I.

 

[unmerged(5333)]

re : Conflicting Ids.

Hello Kaigon,

Never give up !

It's possible, I repeat possble, I found a solution for your
+14000 leaders problem already.

The solution is :

0.

?

Yes zero.

In an adapted or enhanced GC with BUR, I have a BUR-historical-
leader-file of 250 records, all in the range 15000. I simply added
an O and I had 250 # in the range 150000. I started a new game
in 1419 and stopped in 1430; beween these 2 dates I stopped
and restarted 4 times. No problems at all.

Try it. Perhaps, it will work and "the work" to make it ""work"" is
minimal; a prerequisite of a (possible !) solution.


Predator I.

 

[Kaigon]

I don't know if I really got that...

Do you mean that the game accepts leaders with an ID between 150000-150250 for instance

 

[unmerged(5333)]

Re : Kaigon 150000.

Hello Kaigon,

Yes Kaigon that's what I wanted to tell you. The system, thus
EU2.exe, accepts "historicalleaders" with the ID 150000-
150250.

During the test no addressing - or any other - problems at all.

Thus ... I presume that the ID 151399 will be accepted too.


Predator I.

 

[Kaigon]

Am I totally out of track or would it work with any series of digits starting with 15 for instance (there might be other numbers too)

 

[unmerged(5333)]

Re : Kaigon and 15.

Hello Kaigon,

The number 15 has no significance at all, almost ...

You wanted and want to create and use 14000 leaders. That
number is too large to fit in the range 15000-19999 - see
Havard's post.

A solution was needed !

So I used an existing scenario that inluded my BUR-leader-file.
Those leaders have the IDs 15000-15250.

To minimalize my typing work I simply add or introduced a number
zero to or in each ID :
- 15000 became 150000
- 15088 = 150088
- 15250 = 150250.

That's the reason why of that number 15.

At any rate THE TRICK WORKED. In fact it is not a trick. You can see it when you upload a saved file.

150000 + 14000 = 164000. I'm pretty sure that that range of
addresses will cause you no trouble at all.

Back on track again ?


Predator I.

 

[Kaigon]

Re: Re : Kaigon and 15.

Originally posted by Predator I
Back on track again ?

Coming in for Lap 2

 

[unmerged(5333)]

Re : On track again.

Hello Kaigon,

Good !

And the trick is still working.


Predator I.