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I am new to the mechanics of the Lucifer's Own secret society, and could use some advice.
How do I select the "Unholy Impregnation" event? I am Grandmaster, and clicking on the names of young female members of my order. I don't see the decision available (not even greyed out) on any of the 4 different women I clicked on.
Is this option only available when I am playing as a female ruler?
Or do I need to find a nubile young woman, induct her into the society, then use this power on my new acolyte?
Besides earning Dark Power and the opinion boost, what does the "Corrupt a Priest" mission do when successful?
Will it give an otherwise squeaky-clean priest 1+ sinful traits? Or will the mission only be called on Priests who already have at least one sin?
Will it help bishops pick up the Wicked Priest trait? I am wondering if I can use this power to help with the "Black Bishop" achievement, and help me churn out Wicked Priests, which I can then fund to get appointed as a Cardinal, until one finally becomes the Pope.
If you are a male in the society you can only use unholy impreg when you get a mission to do it. Females caan impregnate themselves any time of day though.
In regards of wicked priests, the event to give them this trait usually fires when a man (or woman) preaches vice. To have this happen, appoint people who feature one or several of the seven sins in their trait list.
The trait can be distributed to both landed priests as well as court chaplains- thus, if you want to groom a fitting (dynastic) candidate for the position, you can have them work as court chaplain. Once they're a certified Wicked Priest, appoint them a temple.
^ Thanks for that info. So if I appoint someone as my Court Chaplain who already has a sin, they have a RNG-based chance to become a "Wicked Priest"?
The Traits wiki article mentions that characters with low diplomacy and low intrigue are more susceptible to becoming Wicked. Would I be correct to assume that if I can find a candidate with all 3 (low intrigue, low diplo, 1+ sin), and then corrupt them, they would be more likely to become a Wicked Priest? I wonder if using the "Demonic Possession" power might also help them become wicked?
Not sure if possessed fires it too (Wiki might have info which traits exactly fire the event, cruel etc. might help too, not sure.)
And while diplomacy might help fire the "wicked" fast, ideally you can groom a candidate with high diplomacy nonetheless, as this will affect his gathered taxes as your wicked antipope, assuming you plan to use him as such.
^ Thanks for that info. So if I appoint someone as my Court Chaplain who already has a sin, they have a RNG-based chance to become a "Wicked Priest"?
The Traits wiki article mentions that characters with low diplomacy and low intrigue are more susceptible to becoming Wicked. Would I be correct to assume that if I can find a candidate with all 3 (low intrigue, low diplo, 1+ sin), and then corrupt them, they would be more likely to become a Wicked Priest? I wonder if using the "Demonic Possession" power might also help them become wicked?
When a character has the proper position, at least one of the right(wrong?) traits, and low enough Diplomacy AND Intrigue, an event will fire for them on the bi-yearly pulse giving them the trait if they don't already have it.
Essentially, a priest (court Chaplin, primary title is theocratic, maybe others?), with both intrigue and diplomacy both below 3 (or is it 3 or less? im not sure there) AND
who has At Least one sinful(by their religion) trait, should get the wicked priest trait within half a year.
Sinful traits are mostly the same across religions(usually the 7 red ones, and a few others but not always.
For Christians they are the 7 deadly sins, as well as Cynical, lunatic possessed, homosexual, and hedonist.
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I have also noticed people I invite to court sometimes losing the wicked priest trait, I don't know if this happens because they sit around without a priest job for a while, and so they lose it, or if they can also lose it by upping diplo/int above the lower limit.
I havn't looked into that too much as I gave up trying to get wicked priests elected in current run to focus money on other achievements (costs a lot to load up on all the king titles of britain, the empire, and Frisia,)
Essentially, a priest (court Chaplin, primary title is theocratic, maybe others?), with both intrigue and diplomacy both below 3AND who has At Least one sinful trait, should get the wicked priest trait within half a year.
I have also noticed people I invite to court sometimes losing the wicked priest trait, I don't know if this happens because they sit around without a priest job for a while, and so they lose it, or if they can also lose it by upping diplo/int above the lower limit.
Thanks for digging up this detail and sharing it here. It looks like there are many ways to make a Wicked Priest:
Under free investiture, appoint someone who has multiple sins and low stats, wait for them to inherit the bishopric, then watch them become wicked
If you already have a vassal bishop with crap stats, but no sins, you could:
Use the Carousing Focus, and hope to give them the Hedonist trait by inviting them to multiple private feasts;
Use the Seduction Focus, and seduce them (perhaps this will give them the Hedonist trait, or out them as Homosexual);
Join the same Monastic Society as your vassal bishop, and wait for the event where you befriend a fellow society member and become their lover
Use the Lucifer's Own "Demonic Possession" power to make them possessed;
Use the Lucifer's Own "Corrupt a Priest" mission to try to give them a sin
I might give a few of these a try in a new game. I'm thinking of turning Matilda of Tuscany in 1066 into a Devil Worshiping Un-holy Mother of the Anti-Christ. Maybe I can also put a Wicked Pope in St. Peter's chair while I'm at it.
If you'd like to use that middleageclonetech or middleageartificialinsemination, it's better to play the master seducer queen to unholy imp, and it's better to have high tolerance tech and law. The sins will cost many opinions and the sex appeal opinions only works for under 46 yrsold female, unholy imp under 30 yrsold and keep u depress trait and 1 rivel to '100% noble death'. And that way u only need 2 or 3 kids, it's better not to get married, take consorts or keep lovers. Or u can quit the society after unholy imp. After having the trait, stop seduce others. Select the kid u want to keep and kill or kick the others from the inheir line. It's way a little sick, but if you didn't do that, the little nightmare will finish them.
You'll have a high quality queen line. The kids should be intrigue educated. And it will have 40+ intrigue when adult. Other education is not such impression.
The Christian can send girls to vow. So u can easy to select the heir, if u unholy imp many times. (U need to keep a normal boy to hold the heir line, and sending the girl u don't need to vow before that boy dead. And always the little one will get the high priest.) Keeping 2 intrigue girls, u can have a great spymaster. when the little girl inheir, just invite her back. The plot power feels great.
The challenge is 'to be a good queen with 7 sins and keep good relationship with councilor, pope and holy order grandmasters'. The grandmaster is the fking monk, they don't like fresh meat.
1220 Jerusalem is a good choice. But Isabella's portrait is not such ...
Both say you need to disable the Old Gods DLC before your demon child is born to get the Birthright achievement. They mention an event called "TOG.3260" that clears the demon_child flag before the unholy child becomes 16.
Is this still an issue, or has a patch since then removed the need to disable Old Gods DLC mid-game?
I could also start up a 1066 Matilda game with Old Gods disabled from the start, or is the Birthright achievement only possible if I start with the Old Gods DLC active?
This is not an issue anymore. There are three demon childrelated flags: demon_child, demon_child_fake, and demon_child_non_pagan.
Of these demon_child_non_pagan is the demon child we all know and love from the Sons of Abraham event chain that goes about killing siblings in their sleep and gets Strong and Genius when reaching adulthood. The other two are from a different event chain that was added with The Old Gods and is available only to Germanic pagans.
When Monks and Mystics was released Unholy Impregnation created a child that had either the demon_child or demon_child_fake flag (which meant you got a glorified bastard who was affected by the TOG event), but one of the patches changed it so that the child now gets the demon_child_non_pagan flag and is not affected by the TOG event.
Last question (I hope) - so does the demon child from the UnHoly Impregnation event automatically become Grandmaster at 16 years old (assuming you are playing as them, of course), or do they have to rank up the regular way? I thought I read that was a key difference between the SoA demon child and the M&M version, but that could also be stale information.
These days the demon child automatically becomes the leader of the devil worshiper society after reaching adulthood.
In one of my games I had an interesting situation where I got the quest to impregnate a woman and I was able to use the power a second time right after she gave birth (it takes a few days for the game to give you the event which tells you that a demon child was born and completes the quest and in those days you can use the power again if you have enough dark power). This resulted in two sisters born 9 months apart who were both demon spawn. When the elder one reached adulthood she became the high priestess, but 9 months later when her younger sister reached adulthood she was promoted to high priestess.
Later I had a real soap opera play out. The sisters were cousins of my character and we were all Sunni so I decided to give them the same husband who IIRC was another cousin. So they both give birth to children and at some point one of them murders the child of the other one and then in revenge the second one murdered the first one with poison, but then their husband discovered it and forced her to drink the rest of the poison. And that was the end of the devil sisters.
always the last demon child become the high priest instead processor...
if you have 2 demon child, the first one will become high priest when he/she is 16 yrs old, and the second one will become the high priest after 1 or 2 years.
the lvl 3 society rank uh ump event has a very little time to imp the second, before the event finished.
2 chosen child with intr educate, one is hire, another one is spymaster, that will become 120% plot power...
Thanks to everyone who commented on this thread. I finished my first crack at Unholy Impregnation with Matilda of Tuscany 1066, and it was a success!
Here are the basic steps if you want to follow along at home:
Choose the Seduction Focus and "Groom an Heir" ambition. Marry a low intrigue man with decent stewardship, so you can maximize your starting demesne size.
Get your commanders married, then seduce them 1-by-1. By the 3rd seduction, you should get the Lustful sin, allowing you to join Lucifer's Own.
After a few years, switch to the Intrigue focus, so you can imprison courtiers and vassals to for your satanic missions without having to spend Dark Power to abduct them.
Once you become Grandmaster of Lucifer's Own, you can use Unholy Impregnation on yourself by right-clicking on your portrait.
The kid will be born with no father listed, but your husband doesn't mind like he would with normal bastards. When he turns 3-4, he will start killing his siblings. He won't be caught murdering, but you will get a pop-up telling you it was your demon child. To everyone else he seems a typical kid, but don't worry, he isn't.
Once the child was 2 months shy of 16, I tried to imprison a vassal, failed, then surrendered to the resulting rebellion.
My son takes over as my underage heir. Still nothing odd happens.
Then BOOM! He turns 16 and is unveiled as the Strong Genius Spawn of Satan, and immediately becomes Grandmaster of Lucifer's Own. "Birthright" achievement completed!
I got super lucky on this save by also getting the Immortality event to fire for his mother, Matilda of Tuscany. I used the Intrigue path, and got a legit mystic and passed the first two trials with ease. On the 3rd trial it took me 9 tries to become Immortal (reloaded an old save before the 3rd event, don't hate me!).
So I was also able to nab the "There Can Be Only One" and "Eternity Denied" achievement (imprison your immortal mentor, then execute them).
One correction: Marry not a man with low intrigue, marry the beststatted guy you can get and make sure he has a bloodline in case you gonna pop out legitimate children aside. Don't bet on a first born satan son leaving his elder sisters alive just because he is heir already by agnatic-cognatic law, cough. I found Urraca of Zamora a decent choice- unlike Matilda, she's got two sins by default files, and intrigue education. By 1070, when she could upgrade rank in the society, I had over 1700 dark power already.
What screws me up (and already did in my Jerusalem game, grr) is that the satan worshipper society is global, and the boss out of my diplomatic reach, so he'll eventually murder me by event again before I can arrange to become High Priestess.
Watch out for these "loyal servants" of yours with the demonic possession quest on behalf of somebody else, all I say...
Finally got around to the 2nd part of my original post- how to get the "Black Bishop" achievement by electing a Wicked Priest as Pope. Thanks to all those who contributed their advice.
I started in 1185 as the King of Sicily, moved my Capital to Salerno, then granted the duchy of Sicily to a local Bishop. Later, I converted my culture to Italian, switched to Free Investiture, and kept nominating Italian men with sins and Diplomacy/Intrigue less than 3 to be the next Archbishop. Just keep them constantly stationed in Rome to improve relations with the Pope, donate 200+ gold to their cardinal election fund, and they should become Preferatus as soon as they become a cardinal.
There is a decent amount of RNG in how long it takes them to become a Wicked Priest after becoming a bishop. Sometimes a few months, other times it took many years.
Fun fact, if your Archbishop becomes Pope BEFORE he becomes a Wicked Priest, the achievement WILL NOT fire.
I got tired of waiting for the below guy to become Wicked, so I used my Satanist powers of Demonic Possession on him. The Pope died a month later, the Archbishop of Sicily becomes Pope, and then becomes Wicked a week after becoming Pope. NO ACHIEVEMENT!
Since I had to do it all over again, I managed to get my new Archbishop to become wicked, then got him elected as Cardinal Preferatus. Now to get rid of the current Pope!
Lucky for me, the Plague hit, and this possessed lunatic Pope got the "Crazy Cannibal" -50 opinion modifier. After years with no joiners, everyone in his realm soon volunteered to help assassinate him, not realizing they would be putting this guy on the throne:
