Question about vassalage

[ConjurerDragon]

In my game as Austria I wanted to vassalize Tirol.

All listed requirements are met, I have
- a royal marriage,
- relations of >190,
- am in the same alliance and
- Tirol is at peace
- and we are both catholic.

And despite that I still can´t offer them to become my
vassals.

Is there another requirement that is not mentioned in the game?

A few gameyears ago where Austria had only 2 provinces Tirol offered me to become their vassal - and when I refused relations dropped from 200 to 160 or 170. Could that be the reason that they now won´t even hear me proposing that they become mine? (not the relations, those are up to 191 again).
bye
Michael

 

[Garbon]

Relative Size/economic strength plays a factor as well I think.

 

[unmerged(45766)]

Tyrol's gold (silver IRL, no ?) mines being a major obstacle.

The Diplomacy FAQ lists the economic factor as being the most important of all. Including the fact that not having higher income prevents you from even proposing them.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Mmh, I knew that the economy was a relevant factor for vassallage - however I thought it would matter only for the DECISION of becoming or not becoming a vassal.

I never thought that a country with a strong economy not even allows me to propose a vassalage

In my current game only a month later Tirol again offered ME to become their vassal - and with my refusal relations are down to 161 again...

So, before I uselessly raise relations to 190 again, how much more income do I need to be able to vassalize Tirol with it´s gold mine boosted economy? The only other province they have is Baden. Austria has 3 provinces after receiving Straubing. Bavaria, Württemberg, Palatinate, Luxemburg, Cologne and Styria are already my vassals and increase my income.
Perhaps wait until 1437 Bohemia becomes my vassal?
bye
Michael

 

[Garbon]

Oh I didn't read correctly...some times weird things go on in the diplo window. Like once I was told that I couldn't declare war on france again till a date that had already passed.

 

[unmerged(45766)]

No, no. If economy is not strictly bigger, you won't be allowed to propose vassalization. Just look at the respective income of their provinces, and yours. Factor in that they have probably few trade (so do you).

Given the value of the gold mines, I think you might want to wait longer (perhaps until a certain trigger much later... ?).


Also, remember that you only get half of tax income, not gold. Since Tyrol proper has not much tax income, and Baden slightly more only, you won't get so much.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

No, no. If economy is not strictly bigger, you won't be allowed to propose vassalization. Just look at the respective income of their provinces, and yours. Factor in that they have probably few trade (so do you).

Given the value of the gold mines, I think you might want to wait longer (perhaps until a certain trigger much later... ?).

That would be 1490 to which you are referring to? No, I was not patient enough and now (1440) they have become vassals of Austria. Obviously after I became Liegelord or Bohemia and Hungary and becoming german emperor they changed their mind